OKTAR BABUNA: Good evening our dear viewers. Tonight we host a very special guest from Israel; Dr. Gil Feiler, a specialist on the Middle East. He is a senior researcher who prepares policy and strategy for the Israeli government at the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies. He is also the member of board of the Israel/Palestine Research and Information Center. He is also the executive and partner of the Info Prod Research. This is an institution which advises various states and large banks, the World Bank and US being the foremost concerning Arab-Israel economy. He frequently participates in the Davos World Economic Forum and United Nations meetings as a lecturer and moderator. He has written many books on the Middle East. His articles are often published in academic publishing and press.

ADNAN OKTAR:Now let's kindly ask Mr. Gil to introduce himself.

GIL FEILER: I am descended from a family that was born in the Austro-Hungarian monarchy. My grandfather was a physician in the Austrian monarchy before the First World War, and during the Nazi period he bought his life by working for the Nazis, he was a physician for the Nazis, so he bought his life in this way. And that's why I'm also a Romanian citizen because of my grandfather. He came to Israel from Romania in 1950. I was born in Israel. I studied in Israel, Egypt, and Germany. I wrote my Ph.D. on Middle East economics. I wrote ten books. I visited Turkey about thirty times in the past. I had the opportunity, and I'm happy I had the opportunity to conduct a lot of research together with Turkish scholars, together with the Turkish Foreign Ministry people, and I also met in the past the Prime Minister Erdogan, but I will talk about it later during the interview. And I'm very, very happy to have the opportunity to be here tonight. I read a lot about you only in the last two days, but I read so many articles about you. So it's very interesting, and as I said to your assistant before, it should be a very interesting cultural evening. And I'm looking forward [to it].

ADNAN OKTAR:Insha'Allah. Welcome, we likewise feel very pleased.

GIL FEILER: I heard it. Okay. So we shall have tonight a big journey. We shall talk about the Israeli-Turkish relations, we shall talk about Turkey in the Middle East, we shall ask would Turkey like to return again to the Ottoman Empire in the Middle East. We shall talk about the economic issues in the Middle East and globally. I would like to ask you some questions. For example; why the economic relations between Turkey and Israel are flourishing while the relations between Israel and the Arab countries are not flourishing. The economic relations between Turkey and Israel is flourishing, although there is currently big tension between the countries. Then I would like to talk tonight about the controversial books that you wrote, or did not write about anti-Semitism and it would be also a good opportunity to the reader, because maybe I'm going to take and translate this interview into our language and give eventually the answer did Mr. Oktar write, or did not write, an anti-Semitic book. Then we shall talk about the Arab Spring, Turkey's relations with Syria, and then if we shall have more time, we shall talk about some other issues.

ADNAN OKTAR: Turkey-Israel relations… This is a psychological environment. That is to say, there is not an actual tension between Israel and Turkey. That is to say, as you have recently stated, commercial relations are proceeding very rapidly. A radar system, an anti- missile radar system which is very important for the defense of Israel is being installed by Turkey, in the pioneership of Turkey and with the contribution of  in Malatya. This is a clear manifestation of Turkey's friendship, compassion and affection towards Israel and its will to defend Israel. There is not an incomprehensible aspect to this. This aside, Turkey take all sorts of risks in order to accomplish it. This is of vital importance. That is because, if a nuclear attack ever happens, the rockets will be hit in Turkey's airspace. Accordingly its repercussions will be within the borders of Turkey. That is, it is clearly seen that an extraordinary effort is being made to protect Israel. This shows the profundity of the understanding of morality and compassion in Turkey. The Turks has a longstanding soul of self-sacrifice. Making all sorts of self-sacrifice for the ease, good, and beauty of others. Yes, let's interpret this first.

OKTAR BABUNA: [2^nd question]Does Turkey want to establish a new Ottoman model?

ADNAN OKTAR:The Ottoman model Turkey wants to establish is like of the UN. This is dissimilar to the Ottoman model. In the Ottoman model, there existed the dominion of the Ottoman. That is to say, it had a military dominion. Here, rather than the military dominion, there exists the dominion of love, friendship and brotherhood. In the Ottoman period, there also existed the power of arms but here, in the notion of the Turkish-Islamic Union, there exists the elimination of arms, a farewell to arms. There is the notion of putting an end to blood. There is the idea of stopping terror. This is already carried over from the belief in the Messiah (pbuh). This will be what the King Messiah (pbuh) will do. I mean this is something that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will do. Consequently we have entered the age when these will be implemented. What was the other issue?

OKTAR BABUNA:The economic relations between Turkey and Israel is flourishing, although there is currently big tension between the countries.

ADNAN OKTAR: I have just explained that; there is nothing of that sort. It is totallyartificial. It has no reality.That is to say, there is not such an actual state. There is nothing that is tangible of that sort because the Turkish public likes the Israeli people very much. We all do. You see the attention paid to you. You also see the affection shown to our other Israeli friends. Everybody sees that there is actually nothing of that sort. That is the fact of the matter. Those Turks traveling to Israel are also welcomed very well. They receive love. The Israelis are full of love towards the Turkish nation; they are exuberant. They listen to Turkish songs and folks songs. They watch Turkish movies. There is a profound admiration for Turkey in Israel. Consequently all these are artificial. Even expressing these are wrong. When you express these,it is perceived as if there were actually such an image. We surely have eliminated this image. We have put an end to those false claims with our intense efforts and activities. If the economy is in a good state and if there is cooperation in the economy, then there is no problem. Those claims made after it are all artificial.

OKTAR BABUNA: Also as a controversial matter, he has heard as if you have had some activities concerning anti-Semitism. 

ADNAN OKTAR:A person wrote about anti-Semitism with my name and he published it. After I saw the book, I sent a notice from the notary-public stating that I was not the author of the book in question and asked for the withdrawal of the book from the market and following that, the book was no longer published. It was a book published in my name. But my books are published under my two names; that is Harun Yahya and Adnan Oktar. This book was published merely under the name Harun Yahya the person used my name; it is not a book of mine.

OKTAR BABUNA:He [Dr. Feiler] also wanted you to mention about the Arab Spring.

ADNAN OKTAR:The Arab Spring is the spring of the system of the Mahdi. It is the Spring of King Messiah. That is the Spring of the  Moschiah.. It is the Spring of beautiful days and fine developments. Consequently Islam will dominate the world and people will witness it. Once Islam will prevail in the world, Jews will readily perform and fulfill their acts of worship. So will Christians. Nobody will ever interfere with others. Arms will be eliminated and there will be no bloodshed. Our Prophet (saas) says that not a drop of blood will be shed. He said, "Anyone sleeping will not be awakened, even the noses of people will not bleed." When we refer to the Torah, we also see the same provisions. King Messiah and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) are the very same person. They are the same persona. Consequently Allah is showing us these days today. He will continue to show them. Armories will produce washing machines and refrigerators. In factories of tanks and artillery shells, cars will be produced. They will produce beneficial equipment. This is the news heralded by the Torah; the good news given by our Prophet (saas) will come true and it will continue. It is a wind of peace; this beautiful wind of peace will cover the entire world. The morality of true religion, the morality of Islam will dominate the world.

GIL FEILER:First of all, for the benefit of the readers, I think that we're lucky, both the Turks and the Israelis, that the business community is dictating the real tone of the relations. I can, for example, let you know that since the Mavi Marmara occurrences, the trade between Israel and Turkey went up thirty percent. I came here to Turkey only yesterday, and it was hard for me to get a ticket. There are four flights a day between Turkey and Israel. Rarely are there other destinations where there are four flights daily, four flights between a country, so I'm very optimistic. It is well known that the Israelis like Turkey; I feel here very, very good. I enjoy my time here, I like to talk with the people, to see the Bosphorous is something very, very special, and to see the tempo of life is very, very interesting as well. So this is regarding the economic relations: the question is what is going to be in the future? Because until now, the people who ruled Turkey were the Army, but now is the first time that Mr. Erdogan was successful in pushing the Army to the sidelines. And a major component of the economic relations between the countries was the economic relations between the armies. Israel repaired planes, and so on. And I hope that the relations will continue with this regime as well. I think also that the economic relations between Israel and Turkey is very important for maintence, and leading for peace in the Middle East as a whole. And I would like to hear your view about it.

ADNAN OKTAR:Formerly they were saying that the relations of Turkey and Israel were terrible and that it was still deteriorating. I said that there was nothing of the sort. People have seen that what I was saying was true. They have seen that my perspective was to the point. I said that both in terms of trade and other relations there was no problem whatsoever between Israel and Turkey and events developed as I had depicted them. Also from now on the events will proceed in this direction, but the mindset that totally neglects religion will also witness the true religion prevailing in the world. In other words, this mindset is being defeated all over the world. Some sections, some people and institutions have recently grasped that religion is very important in life, that it is what directs life and grants meaning to it. Consequently, when we say "this is the time of King Messiah", we also mean this. Now let's have Oktar quote the vision of the Torah and I will explain from the hadiths. We will see that what is depicted there has and will come true exactly as said.

OKTAR BABUNA: I will read you from the Torah about the time of the King Moschiah. There will be peace and tranquility during the time of King Messiah (pbuh). Which is the same person with Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) of Islam. According to the Torah and other Judaic sources for example; there will be an end to wars and violence.  

I will take away the chariots... and the battle bow will be broken... He [King Messiah] will proclaim peace to the nations... (Zechariah, 9:10)

... Burn them [the weapons] up—the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears... They will use them for fuel... declares the Sovereign Lord. (Ezekiel, 39:9-10)

... In the last days... He [the Lord]... will settle disputes for many peoples... Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. Every man will sit under his own vine and under his own fig tree, and no one will make them afraid... (Micah, 4:1-4)

... Bow and sword and battle I will abolish from the land, so that all may lie down in safety. (Hosea, 2:18)

ADNAN OKTAR:Now give also some examples from the hadith.

OKTAR BABUNA: And now I will also give some examples from the hadith.I will read from the hadiths also that there will be no bloodshed at the time of King Moshiah, the Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). They are the same person.

"People will seek refuge in the Mahdi (pbuh)", the King Moshiach, "as honeybees." This is hadith from our Prophet (saas). They will cluster around their sovereign. He will fill the world that was once full of cruelty with justice. His justice will be as such that he will not awaken a sleeping person, not even a drop of blood will be shed. The earth will return to the Age of Bliss." (Al-Qawl al-Mukhtasar p.29)

"Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), King Moshiah, will follow the way of the Prophet (saas). He will not wake up a sleeping person and no blood will be shed. In the time of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), King Moshiah (pbuh) no one will be woken up from their sleep or have a bleeding nose." These are the hadiths from our Prophet.

ADNAN OKTAR:Yes, as we also see both in the hadith and the Torah, people observe that what Prophet Moses (pbuh) said 3,000 years ago has come true. They see that what our Prophet (saas) said 1,400 years ago has come true. The true religion and the morality of true religion will prevail in life. Israel and Turkey will become friends. Christians will perform their prayers as they like. So will Jews. Those blissful days promised to the Jews 3,000 years ago will come about. The entire region will live freely. We will repair and re-build Prophet Solomon's (pbuh) masjid, Insha'Allah. Muslims will worship there and so will Jews; we will see those days altogether.

GIL FEILER:I have to commented on his answer now. I think that Turkey was extremely smart by making Turkey, as an Islamic country, to be a very practical country for the benefit of it's people. We can see it in the economy of Turkey. Number twelve in the world. In recent years, the economy has been doing excellently. We can see it also, nevertheless with the tensions with Israel, the economic relations are booming! Billions and billions of dollars per year! Turkey does not take its economic relations with Israel as a hostage; what do I mean? Turkey maintained an economic relation nevertheless the tension. Whereby the Arab countries, they don't agree to have economic cooperation and trade with Israel until the political relation will come to a good solution, in their eyes. And this is the very very big difference between Turkey and the Arab countries. But now, I was an academic in the past, today maybe five percent. Today, I'm mostly a businessman. And as a businessman, I would like to find a practical solution. And, with your permission, I will move on to the next subject, and this is Israeli-Arab relations. Israeli-Palestinian relations, which is a very prominent issue. It's influenced the Israeli relations with the Arabs, it influenced the Israeli relations with Turkey, especially with Turkey wanting to be more dominant in the Middle East, so they have to take care of the Palestinians. My question to you, I have my own thinking about it: What can really, practically, be done between the Israelis and the Palestinians, or maybe we have to say, "Come on! There is nothing to be done! Not in this generation; in this generation, it won't be peace, and we have to live with it." What is your view about it?

ADNAN OKTAR: The Torah explains the solution and so does our Prophet (saas). People become more pious in Israel and in Palestine. Palestine becomes more and more devout, and so does Israel. So, the notion of religion will decide in Palestine as well as in Israel. The solution in the notion of religion is explicitly proclaimed as the King Messiah (pbuh) and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). Other than that no solution is mentioned; there is always mention of anarchy, pain, suffering and blood. We understand that merely King Messiah will bring forth a settlement, peace, ease, brotherhood, arts, science and democracy.

GIL FEIER:I have to say, the Qur'an is saying, yes I agree, and the Bible says so, I agree, you know. Before, you read from the Torah, which every young guy in Israel has studied. [from Torah in the Hebrew] This is in Hebrew, exactly what you say. We all know it. But in order to be practical, how can we solve the Palestinian-Israeli issue? You know the fact that we take some verse from the Torah or the Qur'an or the hadith, it's extremely nice you know, but it's more spiritual, which is as important; I don't say it's not important, but what are the practical means to go forward?

ADNAN OKTAR:It is very important for Turkey to become a part of it. That is to say, the leadership of Turkey, the pioneering spirit of Turkey is very important in the establishment of the Turkish-Islamic Union. Unless the Islamic countries are united and led by a pro-peace leader who is just, democratic, compassionate and merciful, blood, suffering, pain and tears will never come to an end because everyone would then be acting according to his own mindset. The mere way to put an end to all this suffering is the unification of all Islamic countries under a single disciple and unity of love to act in the light of love and to comply by their reasonable leader who advocates love and affection. In this case, the merciless misdeeds and attacks of the bigots, radicals, the merciless, sadists, blood-shedders, Darwinists, materialists and communists become ineffective. If this is not taken into consideration it is apparent that those would be effective.  If love is neglected, these scourges will simply get settled. But if people remain cautious and abide by the system of Mahdi, the provisions of the Torah and the hadith of our Prophet (saas) and a unity of love and affection is established based upon brotherhood, then these evil elements will have no impact.

GIL FEIER:So maybe I will finalize with some of the mystic view about Turkey and Israel. As we know, the Turkish economy was booming in recent years, but in my forecasts, and what we're all seeing, the economy of Turkey is going to suffer in the next year or two at least, from the global economy and also from internal problems. The same with Israel; Israel's economy grew in recent years, not as the same pace as Turkey's, but grew nicely. Now you should know that what saved Israel, always, was it's high-tech sector. The technology. You know second to the Silicon Valley [in the USA], there is Tel Aviv Valley, where there is most of the global start-ups. There is not even one week where even Microsoft or Google don't buy a couple of companies in Israel. Maybe we have to... In Turkey, there is great people, a great economic system, great entrepreneurship and today we were in a entrepreneurship conference here, organized by the government. I think what we have to do is establish the Tel Aviv-Istanbul Silicon Valley, which will help the two countries, because this is the train that moves the economy forward. And maybe in the next stage, some Arab leaders will join this Middle East Silicon Valley.

ADNAN OKTAR:It will be super, it will be very beautiful. Religion is the pillar in the establishment of peace, abundance and bliss for we are beings possessing souls. That is to say, people have a psychology, a soul that keeps them alive and dynamic, that keeps them excited. The soul, the human psychology has a structure that defines a goal for him, The propelling force in that is religion. In the absence of religion neither the Silicon Valley nor unity nor brotherhood and friendship, nothing would have any meaning. But as a promise of Allah, the appearance of King Messiah, Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) and the establishment of Prophet Solomon's (pbuh) masjid will bring about a spiritual revolution. It brings a tremendous excitement. That spiritual excitement also pushes improvement in economics, arts, science and medicine. Otherwise, notice that in Europe the spirit has collapsed because the religion declined. When the soul collapsed, the economy has also collapsed. The reason for economic collapse is the collapse of souls, the collapse of faith. Allah renders the revival of faith dependent upon Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), the King Messiah (pbuh).

GIL FEIER:I thought that this would be my last question, but I have another question, because of what you said now. In the Middle East, you said that in Europe that religion is going down, and that's why the economy is suffering, and some other decline; we know, we all know that in the Middle East, mainly in the Arab countries, that religion is an important issue, much more than in Turkey. Islam in the Middle East is much more important you know, not "important"; people are more religious than they are in Turkey, I believe. So my question is, if religiousness is so strong in the Arab countries, and in Turkey, in both, how come the religious leaders cannot sit with Israel and bring peace? I would expect that if the influence of the religious leaders is so strong, and as you say, the most important thing is religion, so how come the religious leaders are not making peace?

ADNAN OKTAR: The establishment of peace can only be accomplished by means of a leader. When 10 or 100 minds exist separately, they all repel one another. But when there is a single leader, that one leader attracts all of them. There is need for a single leader and this single leader is the King Messiah, the Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). He will gather them all; he will inspire them with enthusiasm and establish the bond of brotherhood. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), the King Messiah (pbuh) will inspire that discipline. In his absence, hundreds of them will constantly push around. There will be the opposite effect of a magnet. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), on the other hand, is the natural magnet; it collects them all and unites them like small magnets. Currently they push against one another. But Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), the King Messiah, who can be considered as the sole great magnet, will form unity. Examining Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), the King Messiah, is also a provision of the Torah. It is also an order upon the followers of Prophet Muhammad (saas). They will find him if they look for him. If they say, "We sought but we could not find", they must come to me. They cannot say, "We could not find him," before they look for him. They will first seek, and then they will see that they will find. But if they can ot find him, they must say it; but this is impossible, they will find him anyhow.

GIL FEIER:Thank you very, very much. I think that one of the problems is that in religion, both in Islam and in Judaism and maybe other religions, there is a lot of types, you know. You can translate one surah to this meaning or to the other meaning. The same in Judaism you know; you can find a rabbi that will say one thing, and you can find another rabbi that contradicts it completely. It's the same as we can find in Islam. Maybe this is the problem. But in any case, I enjoyed very much to be here, and I hope that this is only the beginning of a long relationship. I'm definitely willing to organize some both religious and non-religious leaders, and to put it in tests as to whether religious people can do something really practical. I wish they can. Thank you very, very much .

ADNAN OKTAR:It is the King Messiah, Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) who will solve this problem. Surely the Islamic schools are of different views; so are the Islamic communities. Islamic communities have their separate groups possessing different views. They conflict with one another, they shed blood, they may stir up trouble. But Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is a tremendous power. He has a splendid impact; he gathers and unites everyone. And he eliminates all this disorder. He puts an end to all of this conflict with a single move. The entire matter is to find Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), the King Messiah. Everything is settled once he is found. Otherwise, this is surely an unending conflict; it never ends and it is constantly disintegrates within itself. It engages in conflicts, sheds blood, stirs up anarchy and for hundreds of years this has been the case. The Torah as well as our Prophet (saas) relate that this would be the case. These incidents related in the Torah and our Prophet (saas) come to a happy end with Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). He unites them in such a form that they never disintegrate nor get into conflict or stir up any anarchy. Arts, science, democracy, beauty, goodness, humanity and compassion come to dominate in the real sense of the word. The notion of religion that does not abide by a single wisdom absolutely brings forth anarchy. Unless they are united around a single person, a single brain, various brains certainly get into conflict. And it has no solution. They must in all cases be attached to a brain. Even in the human body an organ getting out of the control of the brain becomes a problem. The human body should definitely be under the control of a brain. This is a sickness. The elimination of this sickness happens with attachment to the King Messiah, Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). They must seek and find him.

I also thank you. Insha'Allah, we will meet again. It is a great honor, a great bliss for us to meet you. I have seen that you are very well-intentioned, and very kind-hearted. Like all Israelis. You are a typical Israeli. This is how the sons of Prophet Moses (pbuh) are like. This is also how the sons of Prophet Abraham (pbuh) are like. They are compassionate, they are good and always pro-peace. I believe that we will have full cooperation in the establishment of the Turkish-Islamic Union, Insha'Allah. I thank you.