Gareth Jenkins: Could you first tell us something about yourself? Our research shows you were born in Ankara. Then you came to Istanbul, to study.

Adnan Oktar: Yes.

Gareth Jenkins: So how did you get from then to where you are now? You are now a writer?

Adnan Oktar: Yes, let me explain. I was born in Ankara on 2 February, 1956. My family came to Ankara from the Caucasus a very long time ago. To the Bala district of Ankara [province]. They had gone to the Caucasus from Saudi Arabia. From the region of Mecca, Medinah. I am a sayyid, a descendant of the Prophet (saas). They fled because there was terrible slaughter at that time, because they were oppressed and subjected to violence. Some went to south-east Anatolia in Turkey, and one part fled to the Caucasus. My family migrated to the Caucasus to save their lives. Then pressure was again applied to the sayyid during the time of the Russian Revolution, and people descended from the Prophet were again butchered, and they sought shelter in the Ottoman Empire in order to save their lives. The Ottoman Empire gave them a home, for which I am very grateful. They came from there to the Bala district of Ankara. The first arrival was someone known as Arslaniko and those with him. Arslan [lion] was his surname. As you know, the blessed Ali was nicknamed the lion. That is where the nickname lion comes from. I am descended from the blessed Ali and also have a line of descent from the blessed Hassan. They then settled in Bala and made their home there. My father later moved from there to Ankara itself. He married in Ankara. He had two children. My older brother and me. My brother is a medical doctor. And I am a writer. I attended primary, middle and high school in Ankara. I then applied to the Fındıklı Academy of Fine Arts. I came third in the entrance exam. It was just the environment I was looking for. It was a place where there was intense interest in art and philosophy. I did my first scholarly activities there. I then enrolled at the Department of Philosophy at Istanbul University. That was my first choice when I took the entrance exam. I then became active there. But I saw that talk was not enough. I had to write books. And I began communicating my ideas in books and CDs and in magazines.

Gareth Jenkins: You have a great many admirers. You have many readers. How did that happen? Did you publish a book and everyone began reading it? How did it happen?

Adnan Oktar: No. I published several pamphlets. I published several books. But the really great impact came after this Atlas of Creation. It was after the Atlas of Creation that the really stunning effect happened in Europe. It provoked a really huge response in France, Germany and Italy. It elicited huge reactions. It had a particularly positive effect on the intellectual section of society. It greatly accelerated the return to religion. Christians, people of Christian origins, literally began becoming really devout. These developments were truly excellent. I sent a copy of my Atlas to Tony Blair, for instance. Reports say that Blair now encourages faith to play a greater role. Former Prime Minister Tony Blair has called for faith to be given a central role in the resolution of world problems. Belief, in other words. Belief in Allah. Tony Blair is dedicating his life to religion. They say that former Prime Minister Tony Blair says he will spend the rest of his life increasing inter-faith dialogue. These are all statements that came in the wake of the Atlas. Tony Blair has called on faith leaders to reinvigorate the conscience of the world. His words. These are all Blair's word. The Atlas has had a very, very positive impact. And not only on him. French President Nicolas Sarkozy is the same. He says that this great devotion, joy and faith that will be instrumental in the birth of one of the finest and greatest civilizations the world has ever seen emerged from here 1400 years ago. He is referring to Islam. Almighty Allah is present in everyone's hearts and thoughts. It is Allah who prevents people being made captive and who sets them free. It is Allah who is a rampart against boundless human pride and madness. It is Allah who constantly gives human beings a message of humility and love, of peace and brotherhood, of tolerance and respect that transcends all differences. This message has generally changed in nature, however. It has usually been distorted. Many crimes have been committed in the name of religion. But in reality these have nothing to do with religion at all. On the contrary, they are a denial of religion. They are a betrayal of religion. You know what Sarkozy's earlier perspective on religion was.

Gareth Jenkins: Yes.

Adnan Oktar: There has been a profound change. Since the appearance of the Atlas. It has had a really excellent impact on French youth and French intellectuals, masha'Allah. We have seen this in not just one, but in many French intellectuals. Jacques Chirac sent a letter of thanks. Masha'Allah, he has also set up a foundation to do with religion. He has made excellent statements in defense of religion. There have been excellent, profound changes.

Gareth Jenkins: Your books are also published in Turkey at the same time.

Adnan Oktar: Yes.

Gareth Jenkins: What activities do you perform in Turkey? Do you only write books, or do you speak as well? What do you do in Turkey?

Adnan Oktar: More books and magazines and CDs than talking. is that it is possible to download my books free of charge from my website. Ten million of my books have been downloaded this year alone. Over the internet. This is a very high figure; 10 million books, free of charge, across the world.

Gareth Jenkins: Do you have a mission? Is that how you see it? Do you see it as calling people back to faith and telling them about the true faith?

Adnan Oktar: Yes. Of course, it is for people to be good, for Jews, for example, to be more devout, for Christians to be more devout, and better natured. For Muslims to be more devout and better natured. The elimination of radicalism, violence, intolerance and lovelessness. For these to be replaced by peace, love and brotherhood. To clear the way for democratic ideas and freedoms. That is what I espouse.

Gareth Jenkins: You have some lelgal difficulties in Turkey.

Adnan Oktar: Yes, I have.

Gareth Jenkins: When did that begin? And why?

Adnan Oktar: The legal problems are very old. Since I started these activities there has been a deep state organization with Marxist, Leninist and even Stalinist characteristics. Right from the beginning this organization has put very intense pressure on me in order to obstruct my conciliatory, anti-Darwinist activities, my activities critical of Darwinism, and to open the way to Marxism. One such instance was the cocaine plot. Cocaine was laced in my home. Then they tried to give the impression I was up in the clouds, someone who used cocaine, by mixing it in with my food while I was in detention at the Security Headquarters. But the court determined that I had been framed. And the Forensic Medicine Department did establish that the cocaine had been given be my mixing it in with my food while I was under detention. And the court acquitted me on the basis of the forensic report. And thus the plot collapsed. Because cocaine does not stay in the human body for 72 hours. It is expelled within 24 hours at most. They held me for 72 hours at the Security Department. They administered cocaine my mixing it in my food and drink. Then they sent me to be examined. And a large quantity of cocaine was found in my body at that examination. But the Forensic Medicine Department determined that this was impossible since cocaine will be expelled within 24 hours and that the dose was a very, very high one, and that this could only have been administered by mixing it in with my food and drink at the Security Department. And I was acquitted. And again, once all because of a single sentence, for saying, "I am from the Turkish people, from the nation of Islam," I was kept in prison for nine months. In solitary confinement. Then again I was acquitted from this crime as well. In fact that was not a crime, and the Prosecutor's Office did not subsequently regard it as one. The prosecutor drawing up the indictment, 9 months later said there was no element of crime in that, and I went to court and the court acquitted me. But all because of one sentence. After that I was placed in a mental hospital. They put me in an old building in an old ward containing some 300 mental patients. I was held for 10 months with these 300 mental patients. These mental patients were generally people who had committed murder. They kept mental patients who had killed someone in the hospital for up to a year. That is how the law stands. Mental patients were treated for a year. And I was held with them. Then a report was issued saying I was not mentally ill ten months later. It was clear that this was all pressure intended to wear me down. Similar events took place subsequently. I have now been tried on charges of setting up and leading a criminal enterprise. And the court ruled I was a criminal gang leader. In other words, this is the first time that an author of 300 books translated into 60 languages has been described as the leader of a criminal gang. I am the first in the world. We are now at the Supreme Court, but that is what the deciding court ruled.

Gareth Jenkins: Where do you stand now on this?

Adnan Oktar: We are now waiting for the Supreme Court phase.

Gareth Jenkins: Could you go to prison?

Adnan Oktar: Yes, if the Supreme Court ratifies it.

Gareth Jenkins: How long for?

Adnan Oktar: 3 years.

Gareth Jenkins: 3 years?

Adnan Oktar: Yes. And I have female colleagues who have also been sentenced to 3 years. They have all been sentenced to 3 years. They believe that are also members of a criminal enterprise. They believe they are also gang leaders. They and I were tried on charges of being gang leaders, and were all found guilty.

Gareth Jenkins: How is that possible? Because as you say, you are a writer, and if you have a criminal gang it must be a very well-read one. Why are they harassing you?

Adnan Oktar: That is what I am trying to work out, too. But I cannot understand it. There is no explanation. I have not killed anyone, nor robbed a bank nor held anyone up. I have not cheated anyone. I have done nothing. I cannot understand what my crime is.

Gareth Jenkins: Are you currently optimistic? Do you know when the Supreme Court will...?

Adnan Oktar: I get the impression that Supreme Court will confirm it.

Gareth Jenkins: Have you got a date? Do you know when you will go?

Adnan Oktar: Probably a few months or something.

Gareth Jenkins: Do you see a link? We know that the AKP [the ruling Justice and Development Party] has come under pressure everywhere, saying they want Shariah law and are a religiously fundamentalist party. The pressure has come from the justice system. You are also under pressure. Is it the same people doing this, or different people?

Adnan Oktar: I really cannot work it out. I am asking around, asking what is going on. Nobody can see any logic in it.

Gareth Jenkins: Is it only establishing a criminal enterprise that is a crime under Turkish law? A criminal enterprise must have some kind of objectives.

Adnan Oktar: My colleagues have already been acquitted on this. There is a court ruling. It released them saying there was no element of a criminal offense. Then the Supreme Court stepped in with a written communication saying they did represent a criminal organization. That is how they are being tried. This time the court entirely changed its mind. This time it said they are a criminal organization. It will now go to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court that has already sent a note saying they do constitute a criminal enterprise. First it said they were not a criminal gang, and now it says they are. And now it is going to the Supreme Court. The placed that has already said they are a criminal gang. That is just what it said. That is how they drew the indictment up. The Supreme Court has not issued a ruling, of course, but that was the impression it gave in the indictment. I do not know what they are thinking. But that is how the situation arose.

Gareth Jenkins: You mentioned a number of colleagues...

Adnan Oktar: Yes. I have female colleagues, too. These are people who have never even committed a traffic offense. They have no tax penalties to their names or anything. Their records are spotless. They are university graduates. College graduates. They have never been inside a police station. These are my friends, the people around me. These are people who help me write my books. But they have been punished in the same way as being leaders of a criminal enterprise.

Gareth Jenkins: How many people?

Adnan Oktar: My three lady colleagues.

Gareth Jenkins: So what are you doing now? Can you still carry on writing?

Adnan Oktar: Of course, of course.

Gareth Jenkins: So you are not always worrying that the police could come and take you away at any moment?

Adnan Oktar: No. I am not that concerned. I have been to prison before. And I have been detained in a mental hospital, where I spent 10 months. The conditions there were much worse than in prison. Mental patients killed 7 people during my time there. They were given steel trays. They used to attack one another with those trays. They killed 7 people while I was there. I was forbidden to go outside. I was only allowed visits from my mother and lawyer. My mother, my lawyer and my older brother. I was not permitted to see my colleagues. But all the ordinary mental patients used to wander round in the garden. They could even go home. They spent Saturdays and Sundays at home and then come back. Not only I was not sent home and was not allowed out in the garden, I had to spend all my time in that stone building.

Gareth Jenkins: Did they try to give you any treatment?

Adnan Oktar: Yes, they gave me "haldol." The drugs haldol and akineton.

Gareth Jenkins: Did it have any effect on you? Did you become depressed or unhappy?

Adnan Oktar: Not at all, I wrote 2 books while I was there, insha'Allah.

Gareth Jenkins: Yes.

Adnan Oktar: I am very resistant to such things. Because I am someone with a cause, with faith, because I believe in Allah and know that Allah creates all things. Because it is Allah who brought me there, and Allah who will bring me out again. I saw goodness in everything, and saw it was all for the best. The disciples of the Prophet 'Isa (pbuh) faced the same difficulties, didn't they? They suffered and were imprisoned. The Prophet 'Isa (pbuh) even says they will imprison you for my cause. He says they will oppress you. Do not panic as you defend yourselves, he says. Allah will let you speak in those courts. That is what 'Isa (pbuh) tells his disciples. It is Allah who causes us to speak and who causes the judges to speak. That is why events always follow the course that Allah chooses. Nothing else is possible.

Gareth Jenkins: Are you now writing another book?

 Adnan Oktar: Yes, I am writing three other books.

Gareth Jenkins: At the same time?

Adnan Oktar: I spend a bit of time on one, then a bit of time on another. I work gradually. I devote one hour to one, for instance, then an hour to another and an hour to the third.

Gareth Jenkins: You must do a great deal of research to write so many books.

Adnan Oktar: I have a group of colleagues around me. Thirty friends working as assistants. They bring me information all collected together. I tell them what kind of information I need. And they bring it to me. In do the interpretation and build the links. I select the illustrations. I sort out the pictures to be used in the book.

Gareth Jenkins: You have written quite a lot against the theory of evolution in particular in recent years.

Adnan Oktar: Yes.

Gareth Jenkins: And especially overseas. Why did you decide to focus on evolution?

Adnan Oktar: Evolution is the source of all the acts of violence and all the bloodshed in the world. Darwinism lies at the root of the murders committed in Russia by Marxist, Leninist and Stalinist philosophy. Darwinism was also at the root of Mussolini and Hitler's madness and genocide. All communist and fascist leaders are Darwinists. And both philosophies draw their inspiration from Darwinism. Darwinism is the source of all the terror in the world today.

Gareth Jenkins: Are the 3 books you are currently writing concerned with evolution?

Adnan Oktar: One is about evolution. About skulls.

Gareth Jenkins: What about the other 2 books?

Adnan Oktar: One is "The Religion of Insincerity." About people's insincere behavior; a psychological investigation of how people behave falsely. But it is of course a book that describes these in the light of the Qur'an. I am also preparing a book about the lives of the prophets. About the lives of all the prophets.

Gareth Jenkins: When you write a book, do you write it for the Turkish public, or for everyone?

Adnan Oktar: The whole world.

Gareth Jenkins: For the whole world?

Adnan Oktar: The whole world.

Gareth Jenkins: At the same time, you have also written books about various political matters.

Adnan Oktar: Yes. I have books about philosophical and social issues.

Gareth Jenkins: You also have enemies. That is clear from your having been to court so many times. What was it that most angered them?

Adnan Oktar: The real problem is Darwinism. Because they always come back to that in their publications. They first mentions the false allegations made against me, but it always ends up with Darwinism. Their real obsession is manifestly Darwinism.

Gareth Jenkins: I asked you this before, and you said you could not work it out. But why are they so afraid of you? Of your books?

Adnan Oktar: There are two conflicting views in the world. Ever since the time of the Prophet Adam (pbuh). There was a force opposed to the Prophet 'Isa (pbuh), and a force opposed to Moses (pbuh) and a force opposed to Abraham (pbuh). And since I am on the path of the prophets, on the path of those prophets, there is also a force opposed to me. If there were no such force then Allah would create one. That is how Allah creates, positive in the face of negative, negative in the face of positive, black and white, white and black. He creates human beings with diametrically opposed opposites.

Gareth Jenkins: But does this negative thing come from Allah, or from satan?

Adnan Oktar: It is something that comes from satan. It is an assault by satan. It is a move by the supporters of satan.

Gareth Jenkins: So you are still optimistic? You will win out in the end.

Adnan Oktar: Of course. Truth always wins; the supporters of Allah always win. They were unable to do anything to the Prophet 'Isa (pbuh) for instance, and Allah took him up into the sky. He took him to His side. Allah thwarted their schemes. And 'Isa (pbuh) will now return. He will return to earth in the next 20-25 years, and the return of 'Isa (pbuh) will come as a great source of excitement and a great shock to the world. People will be amazed at his coming.

Gareth Jenkins: So you will now go to prison but will write books there again.

Adnan Oktar: Yes.

Gareth Jenkins: It cannot be easy to write in prison, as you will not have your 30 assistants there. How will you do your research?

Adnan Oktar: I write my ideas there. I write things about my thoughts.

Gareth Jenkins: This is probably my last question, and a very sensitive subject. You already have a great many legal cases. But I still have to ask. How do you see the current political situation in Turkey?

Adnan Oktar: It is going very well. Turkey is heading straight ahead, straight up. Very good things will happen. The Prophet 'Isa (pbuh) will soon return. Insha'Allah. The Mahdi (pbuh) will soon appear. The whole world will rejoice. Everyone will embrace the Prophet 'Isa (pbuh). We are on the verge of very exciting and delightful times. This century is one of marvels. And Turkey will have great duties in that respect.

Gareth Jenkins: What kind of task do you foresee?

Adnan Oktar: Turkey will be the leader of the Turkish-Islamic world. Insha'Allah. It will call them to peace, love and brotherhood. It will ensure the eradication of terrorism. This will be a measure that will be instrumental in America, Europe, Russia and China enjoying a huge regeneration in economic terms. It will be instrumental in a global regeneration. Since terror will come to an end that will be a climate of security. The military expenditure currently spent on terror will be diverted to essential needs. It will be spent where it is needed. And a magnificent wealth will thus be created. This appears in the Bible. It says the Prophet 'Isa (pbuh) will appear unexpectedly. And there will be a glorious beauty and abundance in the last days. The wolf and the lamb will live side by side; children will poke their fingers into a snake's nest, but that it will do them no harm, according to the hadith. The same thing is written in the Torah.

Gareth Jenkins: In 20-25 years' time.

Adnan Oktar: Yes.

Gareth Jenkins: Will there be any signals before that?

Adnan Oktar: This suffering and these wars are portents of it. The occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. These are things our Prophet (saas) said would happen. And they have all happened. The severing of the waters of the Euphrates, for instance. That really happened. The Euphrates was severed by a dam, and the Euphrates Basin dried up.

Gareth Jenkins: Yes.

Adnan Oktar: And the Sun and Moon were eclipsed at 15-day intervals in the month of Ramadan. We are told there will be a sign in the Sun, and that happened, too. The hadith of the Prophet (saas) say there will be an attack on the Kaaba, and that also happened. Our Prophet (saas) lists nearly 300 portents before the coming of the Prophet 'Isa (pbuh). And they have almost all happened. The portents of the coming of the Prophet 'Isa (pbuh) and the Mahdi (pbuh) have almost all happened. And with a mathematical regularity. They all happened within 25-30 years. Never before in any century or at any time in history have so many portents all come about together. This is the first time.

Gareth Jenkins: Can we expect any other signals, any from now on?

Adnan Oktar: Of course, insha'Allah. Other signs will appear, of course. There is the coming of Gog and Magog after the return of the Prophet 'Isa (pbuh). In other words, a group of people with anarchy and terror in their souls will attack mankind. And the Prophet 'Isa (pbuh) and the Mahdi (pbuh) will join forces and stop them. And this is all information that appears in the Bible, the Torah and the hadith of our Prophet (saas). There is much evidence in the Torah that this is true. The portents in the Torah have come about word for word. The portents in the Bible have happened word for word, too. The accounts in the Qur'an are happening word for word. And the accounts in the hadith of the Prophet (saas) are happening word for word. I have brought these into book form. You know I have the www.harunyahya.net and www.harunyahya.com web sites. Access is possible through them. I also have the www.jesuswillcome.com web site. Anyone visiting that can see it all there.

Gareth Jenkins: I said that was my last question, but I have another one. If you do not go to prison... You generally remain in Turkey.

Adnan Oktar: Yes.

Gareth Jenkins: Have you ever thought of going abroad and speaking to people there? Why do you prefer to stay and write books in Turkey?

Adnan Oktar: I am 53. It has never occurred to me to leave Turkey. I have never held a passport. I have never had one. I have never applied for one. Yet they have still banned me from travelling abroad, you know.

Gareth Jenkins: Really?

Adnan Oktar: I have never been out of the country in my life. Nor will I ever.

Gareth Jenkins: Have they told you what they expect if you left the country?

Adnan Oktar: I have no idea. Where and why should I go? I don't know. Why should I need such a thing? Because I have been tried before now. They sought 20-25 years [imprisonment] for me. But such a thing never arose before. Nobody thought of banning me from travelling abroad before. I have been facing trials for 8 years. Even 9 years. But I have never had a travel ban before. They issued the ban in a sudden decision. But that is all for the best, too. I imagine they must like me very much and be unwilling to let me go. Because one is always reluctant to see a guest go. Don't go, stay where you are, one says.

Gareth Jenkins: Yes.

Adnan Oktar: They must be really fond of me.

Gareth Jenkins: Are you under pressure in your day-to-day life?

Adnan Oktar: No. Eight or nine attempts were previously made on my life. But there is no such aggression now.

Gareth Jenkins: Who tried to kill you?

Adnan Oktar: I don't know. I never made a formal complaint. They were keeping me under constant surveillance at the time. They kept taking me to the police station. While I was doing that work. That is why I never complained to the police. Because if I did I would have to go to the police yet again.

Gareth Jenkins: Yes.

Adnan Oktar: That is where they gave me cocaine, after all.

Gareth Jenkins: Yes.

Adnan Oktar: I could not go there. So I never complained about those who tried to kill me. One attack was with a knife. An attack with a long blade. But they entered a neighbor's house. They mistook it for mine. Although my name is on my door. It says 'Oktar.' He did not see it. He entered my neighbor's door. There was a huge outcry. I heard the shouting and opened my door. There were amazing human cries going on. I heard the sounds of people running away. My neighbor was quite a tough character. They must have attacked him with a knife. The man asked what was going on. He asked what I was doing, in tones suggesting he was not happy with me. I asked what happened. He said they were looking for me. He said they asked if this was where Adnan Oktar lived. Then they attacked me with a knife, he said, but I chased them off. They said that I did not live there, and so they then gave up. But my neighbor was really upset they had come with a knife in that way. He chased them off. But I never made a complaint. They were waiting for me in front of my house. Someone with a gun. I learned about that later. Someone was waiting in a car. Waiting for me to come out. But I did not go out. I looked out of my window. Then I notified the police. A short while later a police car drew up. Shortly thereafter two more police cars arrived. The police surrounded the car. They pulled the man out. A few years later I learned that he was waiting to kill me. Again I did not inquire what had happened. I was reluctant to get involved with the police. That is how it was then. But it is much better now, insha'Allah. That is how it looks. I do not know of course, but Allah knows.

Gareth Jenkins: Yes.

Adnan Oktar: The man had taken drugs and was armed. He was waiting for me to come out with the dashboard stuffed full of weapons. Allah protected me. Something would have happened if I had stepped out. But I was also saved from that. Other similar attempts were also made.

Gareth Jenkins: But lately?

Adnan Oktar: I do not see or feel anything of the kind at the moment.

Gareth Jenkins: You have had so many problems with the state, with the justice system, and they gave you cocaine when you went to the police. Has this changed? Was there a change toward you when you last went to court, or was it still the same?

Adnan Oktar: To tell the truth, I have come under no pressure from the police. In the last year, or for the last 3 years, I can say... For 3 or 4 years. Before that the police were always raiding my home. I was always being taken into detention. And constantly let go again. Sometimes I would go to a holiday resort, and they would take me in for no reason there. Someone or other had complained. The old system was really bad. They could detain you with no instructions or paperwork from the Prosecutor's Office. I used to ask on what grounds I was being detained. They wrote some bits down on a small piece of paper. Such and such a person is doing this or that, it said. Look they would say, we are taking you in because of this document. By which they meant a torn scrap of paper. That is how the system was. But no such thing happens now without an order from the prosecutor. There is a more stable system in place. This may be due to there being more televisions and the influence of the press. I think we are heading in the right direction in terms of democracy. There is no comparison with the past.

Gareth Jenkins: So it must also be much easier for you to do your work.

Adnan Oktar: Yes, there is now problem at this moment. I can go out now. Before I was unable to go out. I have begun going out in recent years. Before that I never left home for 25 years. I have been able to go out for the last 2 or 3 years... 2 years, let me say.

Gareth Jenkins: Do you still live in Istanbul?

Adnan Oktar: Yes, in Istanbul.

 Gareth Jenkins: And you never leave Turkey?

Adnan Oktar: No, I love Turkey. That is out of the question. The Prophet 'Isa (pbuh) never left his home country. He continued working there. Ibrahim never left. Even those who left, came back. For example, they went on the hegira, but continued with their work when they came back. That is why one should not leave unless it is really essential. I will not go just because of difficulties and pressures.

Gareth Jenkins: Do you tend to get up and start work at the same time every day? Does this change?

Adnan Oktar: No. I always get up for the morning prayer (salat). I am an early riser. While it is still pretty dark... That is how I have been for years.

Gareth Jenkins: And then you begin writing?

Adnan Oktar: Yes. I sleep for 3-4 hours. That keeps me much fitter. I do not feel good if I sleep for a long time. Insha'Allah. I potter about for a bit. I have cats in the garden that I occupy myself with. I have an army of cats. And here, insha'Allah. I have birds. Various talking birds. Small birds. I look after them. I have just got two lambs. I take care of them. Insha'Allah. Really cute little things. I had them both washed yesterday. They were a bit grubby. They have now been cleaned and are bright and sparkling.

Gareth Jenkins: So you are generally up and about for 20 hours.

 Adnan Oktar: Yes. I had another interview before you. I shall be going somewhere else after here. I am always in motion. Then I will start on my books.

Gareth Jenkins: Yes.

Adnan Oktar: I am very energetic.

Gareth Jenkins: Yes.

Adnan Oktar: Masha'Allah, Allah gives me energy.

Gareth Jenkins: That is all I have to ask. So thank you very much.

Adnan Oktar: Thank you.

Gareth Jenkins: Good luck with the Supreme Court. Insha'Allah, it will all end well.

Adnan Oktar: Insha'Allah, I hope so. Normally, logically, I do not expect too much. I expect the sentence to be confirmed. But there is always a possibility. I do not say it is impossible.

Gareth Jenkins: Yes, you have been sentenced to 3 years in Turkey, haven't you?

Adnan Oktar: Yes, 3 years.

Gareth Jenkins: So you should be out in a year and a half. So that is not too long.

Adnan Oktar: Yes, insha'Allah we shall meet again in a year and a half. If Allah gives us health. Thank you. It has been an honor, a privilege. Insha'Allah we shall meet again.