GORDON LIDDY: Okay joining me now from Turkey is Adnan Oktar. Mr.Oktar is a Turkish Muslim scholar and he joins us as I understand with the assistance of a translator. And Mr.Oktar welcome to the program.

ADNAN OKTAR: Welcome and thank you

GORDON LIDDY: Alright. Now Mr.Oktar I am very interested in your impressions on what is going on in Iran. You are a Muslim, the Iranians are Muslims and obviously are greatly upset. What is your impression?

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course there is good in everything. I am not upset. These are things that were meant to be in the End Times. Such events are expected to happen before the return of Jesus (as) and before the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (as). However I believe that the elections held in Iran was democratic elections. I think that the attack of the opposing party is wrong. Because if there really is a problem with the votes this could be repeated, however to run about the streets and throw away stones as big as a fist and to cause scenes, these are abnormal attitudes. It is not at all relevant with a democratic response. I believe this is most likely an attitude in which Marxists are effective about. I believe that the Mao supporters and the communist deep state is causing such scenes. Some of these people are from illegitimate fields and some are members of the heroin mafia and some are people who are genuinely upset about the events. And I see those as people who are reflecting their anger in a wrong way, using wrong methods.

GORDON LIDDY: Mr. Oktar in Turkey, your home country, It has been secular since the reign of Mr. Ataturk. And they have seen to work very well, freedom of religion it is Muslim but also secular and they have seem to be in political peace. In Iran you have a religious autocracy and do you think that is what is contributing to the difficulties the fact that instead of being secular it is a religiously dominated.

ADNAN OKTAR: Laicism, yes, of course it is very important. Laicism is actually something that already exists within the essence of Islam. Islam and laicism is interpenetrated. Of course in a population in which laicism is not practiced, hypocrite and insincere people would come up, an insincere environment would come up. For that reason for a sincere environment to be formed, it is very important to practice laicism fastidiously. However this does not carry the meaning of being irreligious, this is an understanding of laicism in which the rights of religion and religious people are wholly protected. In that sense I of course regard every country in which laicism is not practiced, as in mistake, in error. However Iranian constitution is only valid until the coming of the Hazrat Mahdi (as). This is to say the subject matter Hazrat Mahdi (as) is in the 1^st article of the Iranian constitution. They declare that their constitution is only valid until the arrival of the Hazrat Mahdi (as). For that reason, Iran is not claiming that they are perfect anyway, they just say that they will continue with this system until the times of Hazrat Mahdi (as). When Hazrat Mahdi (as) comes there won’t be such things, such distress. Everything will be settled when Hazrat Mahdi (as) comes InshaAllah.

GORDON LIDDY: Alright, please thank Mr. Adnan Oktar for us. We are out of time but we are very grateful for his input.

ADNAN OKTAR: Thank you

GORDON LIDDY: Thank you so much…