ALLAN HANDELMAN: I guess the first question is; one of the things that I find very interesting are talks about cooperation with Israel. You know, talks about, this isn’t anything but a part of Islam he is saying in the Islam world. So to me this is very significant, very brave. So ask him if he would like to describe that among this crusade in the first place?
ADNAN OKTAR: It is in fact perfectly normal. Even an excellent cooperation. That is because Israel is a country with people descended from the line of the prophets, and a great many of them are Muslims. The rest are Christians. Judaism is a religion that appears in the Qur’an. So does Christianity. Islam is the final, perfect faith that Muslims live by. There is therefore nothing odd about Muslims and Christians being together and living as brothers. It is useful, positive and necessary.
ALLAN HANDELMAN: Very brave man. I would like you to also talk about the fact that what you believe that all these terrorists, all this stuff about violence is really coming from Darwinists. This is something that is new to me and many of the people listening where religion isn’t something as strong and powerful as perhaps in your part of the world. This may be a bit surprising especially with younger people. So talk about why Darwinists are responsible for terrorism and all the violence.
ADNAN OKTAR: We can see the explanation for this in Marx’s statements and in Lenin’s statements and Trotsky’s statements. They all regard Darwinism as the basis for violence. For that reason, someone who knows Marxist culture very well may also be well-informed on this subject. For example, Lenin says, “kill the police, soldiers and civil servants, and start fires in official institutions; take money from the state’s coffers. Revolutionary communist forces will not be defeated, but must emerge as an armed force. Spreading fear by killing and bombing people and blowing up buildings, and thus representing the communist dictatorship in society are important elements of our coming to power.”People who look at Vladimir Lenin’s On Theoretical and Practical Terrorwill clearly see this.
ALLAN HANDELMAN: Very interesting. I would love to know his thoughts about Bin Laden. Does he think he is behind 9/11? And talk about that all the people surrounding Bin Laden for that matter.
ADNAN OKTAR: Osama bin Laden is a fictitious name. People of this kind have generally been educated in Europe. They have undergone a Darwinist, materialist education. Careful examination shows that all those who take parts in terrorist actions are great admirers of Marx and Che and approve of the guerrilla techniques of Ho Chi Minh. Muslim, Christian or Jew, everyone involved in terror has had a communist education and has Darwinist, materialist roots. Marx, for instance, says, “Darwin’s work is most important.” “It provides a basis in natural science for the historical class struggle,”he says. Marx made his logic perfectly clear. You can see this on page 126 of Volume II of Letters: Marx-Engels Correspondence.
ALLAN HANDELMAN: So Bin Laden is a Darwinist and he is not a true Muslim?
ADNAN OKTAR: For one thing, we do not know whether Osama bin Laden is alive or not. But Osama bin Laden is someone who was educated in Europe, who received a Darwinist education. He is therefore someone who, fundamentally, believes in Darwinism.
ALLAN HANDELMAN: OK, I’ll tell you what, this is a great place to take a break. We might even take some calls later on, 8664821011. Here is the web site and we’ll have lots of links on our web site, Katie’s going to be posting them tomorrow. IslamDenouncesTerrorism.com, one of the web sites. We’ll take a break and continue.
It’s good to have you back. I want to ask him about some of the things that fundamentally we hear and make our judgments of the Islamic world. We are going to ask him about his views on the Holocaust. Very interesting person here, very brave person because he is talking about cooperation and working with Israel. This is something we don’t hear on this side of the world very often, coming from the Islamic world. His name is Adnan Oktar, one of the most influential leaders and writers in that part of the region.
Let’s go to Vincent, let’s get him back on the line here and let’s go to line 3 to take a couple of calls. Vincent, in Chicago, good to have you on. Vincent, are you there? Hello Vincent.
VINCENT: Yes I’m here. Can you hear me?
ALLAN HANDELMAN: Yes Vincent, go ahead. We got your call and good to have you on WZTK. Go ahead.
VINCENT: First of all, thank you very much for hosting Mr. Harun Yahya. I’m a fan of him, I’ve read a lot of his books and watched the documentaries as well. I just want to say that I never knew anything about Darwinism, anything about those ideologies that reject the existence of God, that connect to that ideology. I learned all these from his books. I know a lot of American people who actually became Muslim, after reading his works, after reading his books. It’s a great pleasure to hear his voice on your radio show. I just want to thank you very much and thank him if possible.
ALLAN HANDELMAN: Well, go ahead and we can get his response as his translator gives him the message.
VINCENT: Mr. Harun Yahya, thank you very much for all, what you have done is great and it is a pleasure to be with you on the radio show from another part of the world. I always wanted to meet you and always wanted to talk to you but I guess...
ALLAN HANDELMAN: OK Vincent. Let’s get their response. I think he got that. Let’s if Adnan has heard that and maybe he has a response.
TRANSLATOR: Sorry, we couldn’t have the question. Could you please repeat that?
ALLAN HANDELMAN: He didn’t really ask a question. He just wanted to say, it’s Vincent calling in to say he is glad to hear him, he is a big fan and he has read his material, that’s all. Vincent, you don’t have a question right?
VINCENT: I do have a question.
ALLAN HANDELMAN: Go ahead and add that quick here. Because we’ve got another break coming. Let’s go ahead.
VINCENT: My question is about the Messiah, about Jesus. I know he talks about him, about the end times and the signs of the end times in his works. I just want to know when we will be able to see Prophet Jesus, when he will come and how he will react, how he will unite Muslims and Christians so we can all live in peace together.
ADNAN OKTAR: We get the impression that he is currently active within a Christian community reminiscent of Islam. We can feel his work aimed at the world leaders and at certain famous people, in the political arena and also in the field of faith. I say that we will openly and clearly see the Prophet Jesus (as) and Hazrat Mahdi (as) in the next 10 to 15 years. Both of them. Our brothers should make a note of today’s date. Let them jot it down somewhere. They will see that what I say exactly comes about in 10 to 15 years. The Prophet Jesus (as) will travel the whole world and speak with everyone. He is someone with a very beautiful face, red hair, a noble countenance, gray eyes, medium height, a slim waist and an athletic physique. He is radiant and high quality, clear sighted, well-mannered and exceedingly intelligent. Everyone will love the Prophet Jesus (as) and clasp him to their bosoms with love. In the same way, Hazrat Mahdi (as) is his brother from the line of the Prophet Abraham (as). Together they will cause Islam to rule the world, insha’Allah.
ALLAN HANDELMAN: I’ll tell you what, Vincent thank you for your call. We want to continue with some more questions. Can Adnan Oktar stay with us after the news? OK. We’ll take a break. 8664821011. Adnan Oktar. 8664821011. Want to ask him about the Holocaust and a few other things here.
It is good to have you back. We are talking live from Turkey to Adnan Oktar. Fascinating individual. This man has his own television show and he has actually been on many shows, even in Israel. He says things like “democracy and freedom do not conflict with Islamic faith,” says “there is no place in Islam for violence and suicide bombing and oppression and hatred.” Interesting individual. 8664821011. He is the author of the book, Atlas of Creation, which is available in 12 languages. We will have all the information on our web site. I want to hear a bit about the BBC documentary, here is just in case you missed it, just to give you an idea who we are talking to.
(BBC Documentary)
ALLAN HANDELMAN: As we continue our conversation with Oktar live, I want to talk a little bit about media also but I’ve got to ask you some questions that are very important here in America to hear the answer from the Islamic world. The question about your view on the Holocaust; do you believe more than 6 million Jews were killed during the Holocaust?
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes. Satan wants to eliminate the line of the Prophet Abraham (as), of the prophets, from the face of the earth. There have therefore been a number of bloody attacks on this line of the prophets over the course of history. The latest, Hitler’s persecution and killings, is well known to everyone. But we are now in the age of Hazrat Mahdi (as). From now on there will be no more persecution of Christians, Muslims or Jews, insha’Allah. Hazrat Mahdi (as) and the Prophet Jesus (as) will together eliminate war and arms in the world, and no blood will be shed. Our Prophet (saas) states this explicitly as related in accounts. “Not a drop of blood will be shed,” he says, in the time of Hazrat Mahdi (as). “The sleeping man will not be wakened and nobody’s nose will even be made to bleed,” he says. “Even animals and plants and the birds in the air will receive love and affection,” he says. That is the delightful age we are approaching. Insha’Allah, “children will play with snakes but the snakes will not harm them.” That is set out in the Torah as well as in the hadith of the Prophet (saas). We have entered that age. Hazrat Mahdi (as) and the Prophet Jesus (as) are living now. We will soon see them both, insha’Allah. After that, there will be no more big wars. The Last Day is imminent. The joys that have been increasing ever since 2000, the age of love, will soon enfold the entire world, insha’Allah. You will see this. The Last Day will come around 2120. Insha’Allah. Bediüzzaman Said Nursi says that in his Risalat an-Noor collection. People will see this happen. But Islam will rule the world in this century. Brotherhood and peace will pervade the world. Everyone will see that what I say comes true in the next 10 years. My heart is at ease, as this is a matter that is open to proof. Let people make a record of this somewhere, and they will see that what I say comes true to the letter, insha’Allah.
ALLAN HANDELMAN: I want to ask you more about why you are still sure this is going to happen. This is fascinating but I think to answer the question, “did the Holocaust happen?”, he was saying yes. If so, why aren’t more moderate Muslims speaking out the issues of terrorism? I know you are kind of starting a little trend here, but why do you seem to be an alone voice out of that world?
ADNAN OKTAR: For example, Muslims such as the followers of Said Nursi, the Noor students as we call them, never got involved in any acts of terror. We never see a member of the Naqshbandi order, the people of tasawwuf, ever become involved in terror. That means that the true students of the Qur’an who know the essence of Islam, those people who truly love the Qur’an, and who love and fear Allah never get involved in terror. But former communists and socialists in many Islamic countries, whether it be in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine or even Morocco, Tunisia and Libya, educate young people along the lines of their ideology, but use Islam as they do so. And they make them undergo a Darwinist, materialist and communist education. They then add Islam onto that. In other words, the real ideology is based on communism and Darwinism. People are therefore misinformed here. They imagine it stems from Islam. But it is actually the result of communist, Darwinist education. As you know, there were Stalinist communist regimes in these countries before, in Syria and Iraq. Communist regimes also governed in Palestine. Islam began to spread only later. Islamic belief has only begun spreading there very recently. It would therefore be wrong to confuse the effects of communism with Islam.
ALLAN HANDELMAN: We have one more segment. Adnan Oktar live from Turkey. We are going to take a quick break and continue with Allan HANDELMAN show FM Talk WZTK.
Welcome back it is Allan HANDELMAN show live from Turkey. One of the most influential leaders and writers in the world, Adnan Oktar. As a matter of fact, Reuters did that very poll where they asked the question “who is the most influential Muslim in the world?” and it declared Adnan Oktar the most influential, by over 2 million votes. A little different than what we are used to hearing in this country; he says democracy and freedom is not in conflict with Islamic faith. He is a supporter of Israel and not something we are used to hearing. I just have time for one or two more questions. You are on most of the media in that part of the world, including Israeli media. And I’ve got to ask; have your life been in any danger because of your passion about your views? It sounds like there would be some risk.
ADNAN OKTAR: The armies of satan rise up against everyone who tells people of the religion of Allah and calls them to the truth and goodness. All the prophets encountered hardships. All Muslims striving on Allah’s path have encountered hardships. The disciples of the Prophet Jesus (as) encountered hardships. This is a natural characteristic of Muslims. Anyone engaging in such a struggle has signed up to this joy, as well. But one of the finest joys here is the demolition of Darwinism in this century. Darwinism has been demolished despite thousands of universities and hundreds of thousands of professors. 300 million fossils all proving Creation have been unearthed and have risen up like a mountain in front of them. But people were unaware of these 300 million fossils proving Creation. We brought them out into the open. We have shown people how it is impossible for a protein to come into being by chance. That is because there has to be a cell in order for a protein to form, and other proteins, and enzymes. In other words, protein cannot form without the cell, other proteins and enzymes. The probability of the formation of a protein is zero. We have brought that out, and Darwinists have been backed into a corner as a result and have finally begun saying that extraterrestrial beings made proteins and chromosomes. That is the ridiculous position they are now in. They are in the helpless position of being unable to say who manufactured the proteins, enzymes, cells and chromosomes in the bodies of these extraterrestrial beings. Darwinism has therefore been demolished. And as a result, communist terror, violence and anarchy will be unable to survive any longer, either, insha’Allah.
ALLAN HANDELMAN: OK. This is one of those hard breaks. We have no choice, I have to. I really enjoyed speaking with him. I have a lot of questions especially about those fossil remains. Maybe we can continue this at another time. Thank you so much for being on Allan HANDELMAN Show. Thank you. The web site, folks, is IslamDenouncesTerrorism.com. We’ll have the links on our web site.
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