REPORTER: So thank you so much. And again thank you for agreeing to meet with me, specially on short notice.

ADNAN OKTAR: Thank you. It is a great honor to have you here.

REPORTER: Great. The pleasure is all mine.

REPORTER: I just want to make sure that I have my facts right. I have read quiet a bit about your work, although I have not read any of your books. I am sorry, I have just got this assignment recently.

ADNAN OKTAR: You can read them afterwards, insha’Allah. They are very excellent books.

PRESENTER: That is what I hear. Everything I have read on your website is very interesting. You are obviously a very prolific author.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah

PRESENTER: Great. To make sure I understand your bestselling book is your most recent Atlas of Creation. Is that right?

ADNAN OKTAR: That is true, but I have also sold 16 million other books. 16 million this year. You can extrapolate for yourselves. 

PRESENTER: Well, and that is worldwide?

ADNAN OKTAR:  Yes, Turkey and worldwide.

PRESENTER: Great and am I right that does not include the downloads?

ADNAN OKTAR: The level of those is very high. If we calculate those audio files and videos, it may be over 100 million.

PRESENTER: Great. Very good.

PRESENTER: So I want to give.. Our magazine Christianity Today, you may know, our subscriptions are about 400,000 and it is mostly mainstream Evangelical Protestant Christians, so I want to give them a little bit of an introduction to your thoughts and your writings.

ADNAN OKTAR: Christians are very dear to me. I am very fond of them. Because they love the Prophet Jesus very much. They love Allah very much and the prophets very much. They believe in the hereafter and you and we await the same things. The Prophet Jesus will return, and his coming is imminent. His return is very close at hand. He may even have returned already. But we will see him very soon.

PRESENTER:  Very good. So can you tell me again so that Americans can understand these issues better. Why would you say that relations are so tense between Muslims and Christians right now?

ADNAN OKTAR: There is nothing on which a true Christian and a true Muslim cannot agree. Because they share common views. Satan divides them and tries to portray them as rivals. The system of the Dajjal portrays them in that way. In other words, this is the result of the activities of the antichrist, otherwise you and we believe in the same Allah. We believe in the same prophets. We hold the same belief in the Hereafter. We believe in Paradise and Hell. Both sides love and fear Allah. Therefore, satan gives the impression that we are opposed to one another when we should really be allies, and this is a terrible snare. It is a snare of the antichrist. We must not fall into it.

We must ally ourselves against irreligion, Darwinism, materialism and communist thinking as soon as possible. We must be allies against all thinking that is opposed to Allah. Christians are immaculate people, and Muslims are immaculate, too. However, there are fanatics on both sides. Rational Muslims and Christians, not the fanatics, must come together and discharge this highly important duty. There is no time to lose now that the coming of the Prophet Jesus is imminent. We must make the best use of our time. 

PRESENTER: It sounds like you are saying that Islam and Christianity are very similar. But would you agree that there are some specific differences specifically about who Jesus is? Christians believe that he is resurrected from the dead and that he is God’s son. I assume you are a Muslim and you don’t agree with that?

ADNAN OKTAR: According to our beliefs, I am saying what actually happened. Someone who closely resembled the Prophet Jesus entered the room in order to denounce him. The Prophet Jesus was in that room. The Prophet Jesus was raised to the sky by Allah. When the Roman soldiers entered that room they found the traitor there. It was him they crucified and tortured to death. His friends or followers may then have spirited the body away. That is possible. I cannot say it is not. But the Prophet Jesus was taken up into the sky in his sleep, and they were unable to harm him in any way. Allah makes it clear in the Qur’an that He raised him into the sky and that they did not kill him and that they did not hang him. The Prophet Jesus will return in the End Times. And that time is very close. The portents have come about. Now is the time. It is the time of the coming of the Prophet Jesus. Some 300 portents have taken place. People will see this in around 2021. In other words,  2021, 2031 and 2041 will be the time of the Prophet Jesus’ most intensive activity. Since people will see this for themselves and since the Prophet Jesus will make this clear in action, there is no need for me to add anything else. People will see it with their own eyes anyway.

PRESENTER: Fair enough.

ADNAN OKTAR: Christians must trust me words, for I am telling the truth. It is certain that the Prophet Jesus will come between 2021 and 2041. We need to prepare for that coming, for that great joy. Let us prepare to welcome by forming an alliance, a very powerful alliance.  This division is very wrong. The Prophet Jesus will reproach us over this when he comes. He will dislike this division. The Prophet Jesus will be in a Christian community when he comes. Allah will leave him there in a state of sleep. In a state of sleep. The Prophet Jesus is wonderfully attractive. Breathtakingly beautiful. His hair is red, but a red reminiscent of gold. The Prophet Jesus is broad-shouldered. He has an elegant and attractive nose and gray eyes. He has a very elegant face. His fingers are thin, long, elegant. The Prophet Jesus’s hands are very beautiful. People will see this. He is of medium stature, but has an extraordinarily beautiful face that radiates light. That us specified in the hadith. The Prophet Jesus’ hair will seem to be wet, though he has not washed it and no water has touched it. That is the kind of attractive person he is. He will come, we will embrace him, we will hold his hand. We will be close to the Prophet Jesus. I mean Prophet Jesus will not be distant to the people. He will travel the world. There is a verse of the Qur’an about that. Allah says, I seek refuge in Allah from the satan, that “not a single person will be left who does not believe in you.” Not a single person of the People of the Book. The whole world will believe in the Prophet Jesus, but everyone. The two poles, Africa, America, France, people underground and everyone will believe in the Prophet Jesus.  

Another verse of the Qur’an says that the coming of the Prophet Jesus “is a sign of the hour.” There is a verse that speaks of the world dominion of Islam in the time of the Prophet Jesus. Allah addresses the Prophet Jesus. He says; “I will make those who believe in you, sovereign over the world right up until Doomsday.” The ones who believe in you will rule the world, He says. Those who believe in you. That is the dominion of Islam. When the Prophet Jesus comes he will read the Torah, the Injil and the Qur’an, but he will follow the Qur’an and call on everyone to abide by it. All Jews, Christians and Muslims will abide the Qur’an and become Muslims. There will be nobody in the world who does not believe. He will have a friend and brother. Hazrat Mahdi (as), from the same line, descended from the Prophet Abraham. They will act together. He will put his hands on Hazrat Mahdi’s (as) shoulders and make him lead the prayer. He will make him the imam in the prayer. This means that his leadership will be accepted all over the world. He will himself appoint Hazrat Mahdi (as) as his imam. He and the Prophet Jesus will rule the world together. Hazrat Mahdi (as) resembles the Prophet Jesus very closely. There are hadith about that. Our Prophet (saas) say their faces resemble one another very closely. They will resemble each other physically and in nature. They are two brothers, descended from the Prophet Abraham. They will make Islam sovereign over the world. The coming of Hazrat Mahdi (as) is a historic event. A very great event. It is one of the fundamental articles of faith in both Shiite and Sunni belief. The coming of Hazrat Mahdi (as) also means the coming of the Prophet Jesus(as). Hazrat Mahdi (as) will welcome the Prophet Jesus(as). He is the one to prepare the ground for him.

PRESENTER: Fair enough.

ADNAN OKTAR: Islam is the faith in Christianity, Judaism and Islam itself. They are all the same, but with various differences. They have all been revealed to prophets by Allah, and are essentially the same. The deen expounded by the Prophet Abraham and that which David, Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob followed is Islam. Therefore, when the Prophet Jesus comes he will call on everyone to follow Islam. Christians will not, therefore, adopt a new religion, but will actually return to the essence of Islam. That is because Christianity was also an Islamic religion. But according to our belief, it has been distorted in various respects. The Prophet Jesus will call on them to adopt Islam and will enable them to live fully by the tenets of Islam.

PRESENTER: So what can be done to solve these tensions in preparation for the coming of the Mahdi and the Christ?

ADNAN OKTAR: There must be very powerful links between candid Christians and candid Muslims. They must speak with one another. I mean just like I am talking to you, in this way. Let them go as guests to one another’s homes and be friends and brothers. Christians are immaculate people, people with virtuous faces. I love Christians very much. One can tell from their faces that they believe in Allah and have pure hearts. They are luminous people. The same goes for the Jews. Their hands and faces are luminous. They are very clean. They love and fear Allah. You also love and fear Allah. So there is an artificial division between us. The number of believers, the number of people really believing in Allah, in the world is currently very small. They must come together and love each other, be friends and brothers. This is a huge snare of the anti-christ’s. Christians, Muslims and Jews are falling for it. We must foil this trap. We must meet together and talk, dine with one another, go to one another’s weddings and share each other’s festivals. But we definitely must be in alliance. Let us give interviews and speeches and hold conferences. Let us emphasize to everyone how we are united. That will be significant progress. This is our duty to Allah before the coming of the Prophet Jesus(as). We must do this.
We must be in a total alliance against Darwinism, materialism, communism fascism and satanism. Because we are the same. We all come from the Islamic deen. But when the Prophet Jesus comes, everything will be as we wish, really perfect. But before the coming of the Prophet Jesus, Hazrat Mahdi (as) will rule Christians with the original version of the Injil and the truth therein. He will rule Jews with the original version of the Torah and the truth in that. One feature of Hazrat Mahdi (as) is that he is a friend of the Jews and of Christians, and is in any case Muslims’ spiritual leader. He is a man of love. Hazrat Mahdi (as) will literally come to drown the world in love. The Prophet Jesus is also a prophet of love. He will enfold the world in love. Love will enfold the whole world in the time of the Prophet Jesus. Satan will drown in that love. Satan will die with the coming of the Prophet Jesus, so to say. There will be no more selfishness, egoism, greed or hatred. And as a result there will be great wealth, well-being and plenty in the economy. The hadith describe this in great detail. There are some 300 hadith on the subject, hadith described in different narrations. They cannot be denied. The coming of Hazrat Mahdi (as) is absolutely certain. The return of the Prophet Jesus is certain. The return of the Prophet Jesus is a fact given in the verses of the Qur’an. 

PRESENTER: Great. I appreciate that. So it sounds that a lot of the things you are talking about are social, are things that we can do. Like God and people. And yet there are all these governments in the middle. For instance what could Turkey do to help improve the rights of non-Muslims within Turkey?

ADNAN OKTAR: Allah has entrusted non-Muslims to us. We love them fiercely and fervently. With a profound love. I love you, for example, because you are a Christian, an evangelical, and that for me is an excellent thing. Because I am with someone who fears and loves Allah. I am dealing with someone who loves the Prophet Jesus and awaits his return. I am dealing with someone who loves David, Isaac’, Joseph and Ishmael. Why and how could I not love you. Of course your rights must be defended and you must be totally free. I don’t know , I mean I know you are free in Turkey, but if there are any complaints on the subject the government will take the requisite measures, and even introduce legal changes over and above those measures. Whatever is needed will be done. We want Christians, Jews and Armenians and Greeks to live in freedom in Turkey. They are our friends and brothers. We lived side by side with them in Ottoman times. I am really unhappy at Armenia being divided from us. I say the borders must be opened up, and that the Armenian border will be opened up. Let us live side by side with the Greeks. Let the Greek border be opened up even. Let us live hand in glove with them. We should there be any division. They also fear and love Allah. And we love Allah. Therefore, friendship and brotherhood should spread everywhere. The fascist mindset must be very carefully avoided. But we have always felt love for the People of the Book, Christians and Jews, ever since Ottoman times. There may have been local incidents in which some people mistreated some devout Jews or Christians. But that is not the crime or fault of the whole nation. Because also the other side may have made similar mistakes. It is the general situation that counts. We are the continuation, the descendants and children of the Ottoman Empire. We all know about the love they showed the Jews. They had them brought here from Spain. We lived hand in glove with the Greeks, with Christians. If some fascist ideas have formed in some people more recently, these are localized incidents. These can be put right, but as a nation we love the People of the Book, Christians, Jews, Armenians and all of them.

PRESENTER: And so when you talk about specific incidents such as the murder of Hrant Dink or the situation in Malatya. Are you saying those were specific incidences, just local incidences or what do you make of those situations in last couple of years?

ADNAN OKTAR: The Malatya incident was really terrible. No Muslim can even think of such a thing. It was a terrible sin. Those people are entrusted to us by Allah. They believe in Allah. They believe in the Prophet Jesus(as) and are guilty of no crime. For them to be killed there in that way is truly dreadful. A Muslim should never even contemplate such a thing. He can never even imagine such a thing. They committed a terrible sin. The same with Hrant Dink. He was a child of this country. If he held any mistaken ideas or opinions they could be opposed on the intellectual level, but killing him is something no Muslim could do. It is a terrible sin. We must therefore feel great love and compassion for the People of the Book. Islam can never accept them being treated in such a way.

PRESENTER: Great. Thank you. So many Westerners are fearful of having, of Turkey having a regional superpower status which is something that you have predicted and discussed. I just- what is your response to the Western world having fear? Should we be afraid or what is your response to that?

ADNAN OKTAR: No, the shadow of the system of Hazrat Mahdi (as) has fallen across the world. These developments will take place under the influence of that system. And they will be further strengthened by the coming of the Prophet Jesus. Things will be even more perfect.  This is therefore a divine development, a perfect development from Allah. Allah wants the best for human beings, and the consequences of these developments will be very good indeed. This is not a random phenomenon. It is something under the control of Hazrat Mahdi (as) and is taking place step by step. For example, the occupation of Afghanistan, the invasion of Iraq, the stopping of the waters of the Euphrates, being stopped by a dam, two solar eclipses during Ramadan at 15-day intervals, the sighting of a comet, the appearance of a second comet. That was the comet Lulin. This comet is double-headed, travels from west to east and is very bright. The attack on the Kaaba, bloodshed at the Kaaba, two world wars, the economic crisis and the sighting of a sign in the Sun with the greatest sunburst of the century and a similar phenomenon expected in 2012. All these things are portents of the coming of the Prophet Jesus(as). And portents of the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (as). They have all come about and are all miracles. All the portents of the coming of the Prophet Jesus set out in the Injil have come about. And since all the portents described in the hadith have also happened, this is an incredibly important and absolutely certain phenomenon. There is no alternative.

PRESENTER: Got it. When you say that the siege of Afghanistan, are you thinking about the current siege or a different occupation?

ADNAN OKTAR: The present one.

All these portents have come about in the last 30 years, or so. This is very significant. This is the first time that these portents have all happened one after the other. It has never happened before. Never before. This is the first time.

PRESENTER: Okay sure so I can see that you are saying that these signs are coming together and yet I would say that most Westerners would want some other source of insurances that as Turkey rises to power that they are going to treat people well. And I have to say just from the outside looking in, seeing things like the incidences I have mentioned Hrant Dink, Malatya. The west is very concerned about how Turkey treats his minorities or at least how they can be treated? Do you think that the government is doing enough or as the government continues to rise are there more things that the Turkish government can do to help protect the rights of minorities?

ADNAN OKTAR: It will become increasingly perfect, right up until the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (as). It will get better and better. Turkey’s power of love will grow, not the military power. Why would it be a threat if its military power does not increase but its love power does?  There would not be a danger. Bonds of friendship and brotherhood and democracy will be reinforced. Love will be strengthened. Joy will be strengthened in the Middle East. But there will be no increase in military force. 
 
PRESENTER: And just to repeat, you have said that Turkey will not be a military power it will be a love power and what, what would be the manifestations of that how would- in our current society obviously we associate economic and military power with global success. So what will be the signs that Turkey is stronger, is the center that you are talking about?

ADNAN OKTAR: Hazrat Mahdi (as) will do this. You will see it around 2014 to 2021. The government is doing this now but in fact it is Hazrat Mahdi (as) and the Prophet Jesus(as) who will do this for real. Governments and states will prepare the ground, under inspiration from Allah. In other words, willingly or unwillingly they are currently serving Hazrat Mahdi (as). Every state, America and Russia, is under the command of Hazrat Mahdi (as). And they are obliged to serve Hazrat Mahdi (as). That is their destiny. Russia has become more moderate, for example, Russia has demolished communism. This, for instance, was an environment needed for the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (as), a necessity. Allah made them do that. Obama has assumed power in America, for instance. He is more moderate and his character is better suited to the system of Hazrat Mahdi (as). Hafiz Assad died and was replaced in Syria by his son.  That is for the better, and his son is morally virtuous. Hafiz Assad was not like that. He was very harsh, a shedder of blood, but the situation in the region has now changed. The government in Iraq is now warm and moderate. The same in Jordan. In other words, all Islamic countries have become suitable for the appearance of Hazrat Mahdi (as), and all the totalitarian regimes that existed in some of them have collapsed. And they are constantly being made ready for the coming of the Prophet Jesus. In other words, Allah is designing the world to be suitable for Hazrat Mahdi (as) and the Prophet Jesus, and nobody can stop that design. But only with the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (as), that age of complete love, complete compassion you mentioned will begin. And with the coming of the Prophet Jesus it will have shone and become absolutely perfect. 

PRESENTER: Okay. Great. Great thank you. I see so, basically all of these you say that the Middle East is moving toward peace very, very quickly within ten or twenty years? It doesn’t look to the outsider like things are going to be peaceful there anytime soon. But you are saying that, that is going to happen, that will only happen as result of the coming of these two individuals. I am asking to make sure that I am understanding you correctly. 

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, true. That is the destiny of the world. You will see that this is the case. That is the course all events are taking. For example, the appearance of comets, Halley’s comet and Lulin, are portents of the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (as).  Allah creates them specially. For example, Darwinism and materialism are ideas of the anti-christ. And they are ideas that can easily be overcome and defeated. They have easily been defeated. This is a design brought into being by Allah. For example, imagine that Darwinism has been specially created in order to be defeated. And Allah had us defeat Darwinism. He had us crush materialism. And Darwinists and materialists really have been routed now. They came up with yet another fossil the other day. But they were again routed and humiliated. They are humiliated every time. These things are portents of the coming of the Prophet Jesus(as). In other words, victory continuously goes to the believers. Progress always lies with the believers. Christianity is growing like in avalanche in America, Europe and everywhere. Islam is also growing apace. The number of devout Christians is growing all the time. Why is that? The reason is the appearance of Hazrat Mahdi (as). And the coming of the prophet Jesus is imminent. There is currently no reason for any change in the world. This doesn’t happen out of the blue. It does have reason. Look at the papers and the internet, you will see a huge increase in the number of the believes in faith, the believers in Allah, everywhere.

Allah has literally humiliated the atheists. For example, there are 100 million fossils that all prove Creation. They hid these away. But we brought them into the open. This is a blessing from Allah. One hundred million fossils prove Creation. And we announced to the world that this is a reality. For instance, Darwinism has not a single transitional fossil, there is not a single fossil to prove Darwinism. This was a hidden truth, but we brought it into the open. And Darwinists were ruined and humiliated. In order to emphasize this I said that if they could produce a single transitional fossil I would give them 10 trillion Turkish lira, but I have heard not a peep. I said this in order to prove their lies. Allah devastated and humiliated them in that regard. It is impossible, for example, for a single protein to come into being by chance. That was a little-known fact. But we told the whole world. Darwinists were thus devastated. Materialists, and therefore atheists. Atheists have suffered a defeat this century the like of which has never been seen before. These are all signs of the coming of the Prophet Jesus(as).

PRESENTER: Got it. Westerner and particularly western Christians would, or probably most Christians around the world, along with atheism fascism Darwinism they will include fundamental Islam as a threat to world peace and world harmony. How does that fit into your understanding and what level of threat is that?

ADNAN OKTAR: I also regard it as a threat. That is because the equivalent of the fundamentalism in Turkey is the raw fanatic, rough fanaticism and bigotry. That is its equivalent in Turkey. There is no love, nor affection or compassion in such people. They are selfish and egotistical. They love themselves most of all. There are pretentious, they are merely show Muslims. Allah defines this in verses. He says they perform their prayers for show. There is a verse on this. And they are lacking in the desire to help others, generosity, warmth or forgiveness.  They are against art, aesthetics, beauty and science. This barbaric way of thinking also existed in the time of our Prophet (saas). We call these people polytheists. People who ascribe equals to Allah. True Muslims are people who share the moral values of the Companions. People like our Prophet (saas) and the Companions. They will experience the beauty of the age of felicity in the time of Hazrat Mahdi (as). We will return to those days of moral virtue. Christians and Jews enjoyed the greatest ease in the time of our Prophet (saas). Our Prophet (saas) even had wives of Christian and Jewish origins. They lived happily side by side. We shall return to those happy days. Therefore, the retrogadation as it is called, but I do not define it as retrogadation but fanaticism, bigotry I call it, poses such a danger to the world. That is why we are striving against it. But it can be eliminated with science and culture. 

PRESENTER: So what do you teach Muslims about Jews? You have said a little bit. What about Israel’s right to exist?

ADNAN OKTAR: I like Israel very much. And I like the Israelis very much. I have friend there who come here. I have rabbi friends. They are descended from the Prophet Abraham, from the line of the prophets.  My love for them is very strong indeed. They will be at total ease in the time of Hazrat Mahdi (as). As you know, they are surrounded by walls. We will tear them all down and open it up. They will be free and at ease, free to do business and move about. Their lives will be guaranteed. They are very devout and immaculate people. It is the atheist Zionists who are the danger. It is them that I am against. But devout Jews are my very dear brothers. I love them very much.

PRESENTER: But he doesn’t like the Zionist Atheists is that what he said?

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, the atheist Zionists are the threat, them and the masons. Freemasonry and atheist Zionism is a danger to the Christian world, and to Jews and to Muslims and everyone.

PRESENTER: And as far as the Israeli government, you have no problem with the Israeli government?

ADNAN OKTAR: If there are atheist Zionists in the Israeli administration, I am opposed to them. But I love all the devout Jews unconditionally.

They stay in my home. Rabbis come from Israel, and they are very fond of me. And I of them. They are immaculate people with radiant faces. We also meet with Christian priests and chat with them. We are friends. But I do not share their belief in the Trinity, of course, and I believe that the Prophet Jesus ascended into the sky in a state of sleep. But apart from that, Christians for me are perfectly acceptable and excellent people. And I love them very much. And of course there are things in my beliefs they do not share. But what matters is that we all believe in the same Allah. We love the same prophets and the same angels and share the same belief in the Hereafter. And there will be no problem left once the Prophet Jesus returns, insha’Allah.

PRESENTER: Sure. And I hope you understand the questions I am asking are not out of antagonism but a Westerner who comes to read your books for the first time. These are the questions that they are going to ask. So I am giving you a chance to explain yourself to them.

ADNAN OKTAR: I like you very much. Can you not tell from my behavior?

PRESENTER: Yes absolutely.

ADNAN OKTAR: In addition, your questions are very good. They are legitimate ones that need to be asked. Of course you must ask them, as light needs to be shed on them. 

PRESENTER: Great. So Evangelical Christians. We believe, they believe strongly in the right of people to choose their religion, into to change their religion. Do you agree with this and should Evangelicals or anyone be free to spread their religious ideas?

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course, an honest person must select the belief, the faith he wishes. Anything else is falsity.

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course everyone who holds a belief can tell people about it. He can discuss it, debate it and try to win people over. This has to be two-way, and is perfectly normal. How can you tell a Christian not to talk about Christianity? Or a Jew not to talk about Judaism. They will respond by telling you not to talk about Islam, and that will play into the hands of the antichrist. Christians are completely free, as are Jews and Muslims. Everyone is free to talk about his own beliefs. And people are free to select whatever belief they choose. Nobody can put any pressure on anyone else. There must be freedom of expression, without pressure. 

PRESENTER: And in your opinion what is the significance of Barack Obama’s visit to Turkey?

ADNAN OKTAR: Excellent, most excellent. It means he is aware of Hazrat Mahdi (as), and maybe perhaps of the coming of the prophet Jesus. Even if he is not, he has laid the groundwork for them. Christians will soon form an alliance with Muslims and eliminate irreligion. The Prophet Jesus and Hazrat Mahdi (as) will make the world a place of beauty and celebration, insha’Allah. 

PRESENTER: Excuse me, I am sorry the last part of the last quote. I just write slowly I am sorry. So after the coming of Mahdi and Jesus there will be great enjoyment and peace, and what was the last part of that, the thing you have said before?

ADNAN OKTAR: There will be global degeneration after that, after the prophet Jesus, after the death of the Prophet Jesus and after the death of Hazrat Mahdi (as). Then Doomsday will take place. But I am describing the first part, of course. 

PRESENTER: I appreciate your time. May I have just a couple of moments to take a few pictures of you?

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course.

PRESENTER: Great. You have been very generous with your time. I thank you very much.

ADNAN OKTAR: I love you because you are very devout, and a Christian, for which reason I can make all kinds of sacrifices.

PRESENTER: That is wonderful, thank you.