Interviewer:Welcome to our Turuncu audience. Today we are in Istanbul. We are delighted to be the guests of a very important person. This is someone who has been engaged in intellectual activities in Turkey for many years and who has hit the headlines in our country about a number of different subjects. We are here today with Adnan Oktar. First of all, thank you for having us.

Adnan Oktar: Thank you, and welcome.

Interviewer: Thank you very much. On the Turuncu page, and in the daily newspaper Yeni Konya in particular, our aim is to raise people’s consciousness by conducting interviews with special people such as yourself. You have been one of the most important person's in this respect. For that reason I thank you, again.

Adnan Oktar: And thank you.

Interviewer:I would like to start from the very beginning, because different things come to people’s minds whenever your name is mentioned. Some people have a deep affection for you, while others harbour emotions not far removed from hostility. Why is that?What difference do you have from others, that no common base can be reached when your name comes up?

Adnan Oktar: There is a war between good and evil, from the time of the blessed Adam right up to Doomsday. These kinds of things happen in the struggle between believers and non-believers. A true Muslim loves his brother, thinks the very best of him, treats him with affection and looks positively at events. But the case is very different with people who look at things through the eyes of Shaytan, who look for conflict, wickedness, strife and corruption.Iregard those who look at us negatively as being under the influence of Shaytan. If they can free themselves from the influence of Shaytan and look through the eyes of compassion and beauty,then they will see positive things. If they look through the eyes of evil, however, then they will inevitably end up looking at themselves.

Interviewer: In that sense, you and your friends have been through very hard times. First of all there is this deposition that is said to be given and signed by you.

Adnan Oktar: Yes.

Interviewer: Now, I believe that I am completely objective when it comes to you. This is what came to my mind when I looked at those statements;I said to myself that a scholar, no matter how atrocious an incident can be, would never use such vulgar terms.

Adnan Oktar: That is true.

Interviewer: The statements made there are really very bad, as if specifically intended to lower your image; it is like someone signing his own death warrant. Could you tell us a little about what was involved?

Adnan Oktar: I have heard this a great deal, people asking me why I said those things. My answer to such people is to suggest they go to the Security Headquarters and that if they don’t end up saying much worse than I did then they are free to say what they like about me. Anyone ending up there literally produces a statement the size of a novel. They confess whatever they are told to. Because what happens there is a struggle to stay alive, a fight for survival, a struggle to avoid oming out crippled. Because you go there and are subjected to false allegations, insults and filthy language. But if you sign what they want, you walk out sound in wind and limb. So what is a rational person to do? He will sign whatever it is in order to leave there alive. Because you will then appear before a judge, before the Public Prosecutor. Once you are there you can say "Esteemed president, esteemed prosecutor, I was pressurised and forced to sign the document in question", and you say "the truth of the matter is actually very different". But this was not the case according to our laws, we learned that later on. In other words, if you sign a statement there you have to prove that it does not represent the truth. It is a very odd system. If such a system exists, it means the encouragement of torture. In other words, they have only recently started putting an end to that injustice.

Interviewer: How long were you kept there while that was going on?

Adnan Oktar: A week. My hands were tied, handcuffed behind me. I was blindfolded and left to sit on concrete.

Interviewer: What did you feel there? Did you wish you had never done such things?I refer to your writings and scholarly activities.

Adnan Oktar: When they put the handcuffs on me I said “elhamdülillah,” and everyone heard it. I was delighted, because I delight in torture, pressure and imprisonment on the path of Allah. The fiercer they are, the better I like it. Because Allah tells us in one verse that he never gives anyone a burden they are unable to carry. Suffering on Allah’s path is highly acceptable and counts as a good deed. It is the time when one accrues the greatest divine approval, and I am careful to make the best use of such times.

Interviewer: It was a source of happiness for you, in other words?

Adnan Oktar: Of course, I take pride in it.

Interviewer: Did all this have a psychological impact on you?

Adnan Oktar: Not at all. They kept me in the Mental Hospital for 10 months. They detained me with 300 lunatics. Most of them had committed murder; it was a place where everyone was screaming and shouting and throwing themselves on the ground, a place of total chaos. I went in with my courage in my hands, and left in the same way. Allah protects, and inshaAllah nothing will happen to one.

Interviewer: What was the story behind that, the justification they gave?

Adnan Oktar: I guess it was the result of a logic along the lines of you’ve taken the Masons on, you’ve taken atheist Zionists on. So you must be mad, because only a lunatic would do that, so we may as well put you in a mental facility.

Interviewer: But does this not mean that certain groupings have a huge amount of power in Turkey? So do we all need to be afraid?Does everyone who dislikes atheists or who is not an atheist need to be afraid?

Adnan Oktar: There is no such thing as fear for a Muslim. Allah creates all things. It is Allah Who puts one in a mental facility, and it is Allah Who takes one out again. In the same way that He purifies gold with fire, so Allah tests His servants with fire and difficulties, and thus increases the virtue stored up by that servant. If the person has any flaws or deficiencies, these are also rectified and straightened out. This is a highly eligible thing for a Muslim.

Interviewer: During that time very serious reports emerged concerning you, particular among some specific media organisations.Let us say that there is a group opposed to the religious section of society in Turkey. There are many religious groups in the country. And there are individuals at their heads. Is the reason they are so preoccupied by you that the people around you are wealthy, well-educated young people? Is that what alarms them?

Adnan Oktar: That, and also the fact that Darwinism is the religion, the beating heart of atheism. When Darwinism is torn apart, so will the heart of atheism be. Because atheism will be left with no power, foundation or basis. I tear apart the heart of atheism. And they, naturally, will want to tear our hearts apart. This is a two-way struggle. If you take atheism, communism and separatism on, then separatists, communists and materialists will counterattack you. It is a battleground, not just a war of words.

Interviewer: Despite this, Saadettin Tantan [a former interior minister] said you were even more of a danger than the PKK [Kurdistan Workers’ Party].

Adnan Oktar: That is true. I am the greatest danger to the PKK. I imagine that is what he actually meant. But the words came out wrong.

Interviewer: What makes you the greatest threat to the PKK?

Adnan Oktar: Because I am the only person actively engaged in activity that breaks the back and the philosophy of the PKK.

Interviewer: What activity is that?

Adnan Oktar: Darwinism and materialism. Because the PKK is a communist organisation, and Darwinism and materialism lie at the heart of communism. When Darwinism and materialism collapse, so will communism. When I break the back of Darwinism, the separatists have no means of making Marxist propaganda. That means there is activity that radically tears down that system. And that is why they target me.

Interviewer: Does that mean there are no Muslim Kurds in the PKK?

Adnan Oktar:There are, but they have been misled. Would any rational person, a normal, well-balanced Muslim, go and join a communist organisation?Would they join an organisation that denies Allah and His religion, that has declared war on Islam? Maybe if that person is really ignorant-

Interviewer: You say they have been deceived.

Adnan Oktar: Of course. And it is my duty to warn them.

Interviewer: Looking at matters concerning the PKK in general and the time frame since February 28 in particular, what kind of political differences do you see between then and now?

Adnan Oktar: I think the government is currently more sincere. Better than formerly. The system is better and getting better still. I oppose the main objectives of the European Union. I have no problem with Turkey joining, but if it does not join the EU as leader of a Turkish-Islamic Union, Turkey will be swallowed up in my view. That is why I regard it as a great danger. But the EU has its good side, of use in the return to democracy.

Interviewer: On the subject of human rights.

Adnan Oktar: Yes. The idea may have useful functions such as bringing about tolerance and moderate thinking, legal progress, and it may have a positive effect on Turkey.

 Consequently, in the activities of this government there had been some very good starts. But these things are not enough, of course.

Interviewer: What should the government do, for instance?

Adnan Oktar: It could be freer. It could provide greater democracy, and it is indeed making genuine endeavours. This is clear.

Interviewer: You were also the subject of discussion in the European Parliament.

Adnan Oktar: Yes. Europe, and especially France, was naturally rocked when Darwinism was dealt a knock-out blow, when its back was broken.

Adnan Oktar: Yes. They have been trying to wriggle out of it, but their panic and terror have led students to be even more curious about Darwinismand has led them to wonder “What is this anti-Darwinist activity, what is Harun Yahya doing?”And now teachers in France know no peace. Wherever they encounter students they hear things like “This is the truth of the matter, not what you are telling us. This is not true, you are deceiving us.”This is really worrying them. Reports along these lines frequently appear in the French press.

Interviewer: Yes. There are interviews you have given them. There is no discussion about Turkey in the European Parliament, but there is a debate about Harun Yahya.

 By the way, now that you have mentioned the name Harun Yahya, why did you choose the name Harun Yahya?

Adnan Oktar: They are the names of two excellent, radiant prophets. It occurred to me all of a sudden. I was wondering what name to use,and the names Harun and Yahya suddenly occurred to me.

Interviewer: But they have no special significance for you.

Adnan Oktar: One was the Prophet ‘Isa’s (as) helpmate, the other that of the Prophet Musa. I thought of the name as a service in their memory while considering an ideathat would be of assistance to the faith of our Prophet (saws).

Interviewer: I am now quickly passing on to direct matters...

Adnan Oktar: Of course, of course. That is most excellent.

Interviewer: In order for us to discuss everything we are curious about more freely. I would now like to come to the subject of the Mahdi.When I began looking into this subject, I researched the End Times, the portents of Doomsday and the characteristics of the Mahdias set out on various web sites. I studied them at length. When I closed my eyes I could picture his physical attributes just as if they were describing you.

Interviewer: I think this also appears on several web sites supported by your group. Are you the Mahdi, Mr. Oktar?

Adnan Oktar: If someone, Allah forgive, says that he is the Mahdi then he literally divorces himself from the faith. He cannot remain loyal to the faith.Because such a claim means that he is a flawless human being, with no need to be tested any more, and whose entry into Paradise is already assured.

 So no Muslim can say such a thing. But we live between hope and fear, in other words we may go to Paradise, or we may go to Hell. But we hope to go to Paradise.We may come out to be a holy man or a brigand. But of course we desire to be a holy man and think that way inshaAllah.

Interviewer: Let me now list all those features for the benefit of our viewers. I am sure they will agree with me. The most important characteristic is, in my view, are you a Seyyid?

Adnan Oktar: Yes. I am a Seyyid.

Interviewer: You are descended from our Prophet (saws).

Adnan Oktar: Yes, I am a Caucasian Seyyid.

Interviewer: That is one thing; the second is that he will have a broad forehead, dense hair, a nose just like yours, Mr. Oktar...

Adnan Oktar: A small nose.

Interviewer: Yes, a small nose.

Adnan Oktar: And a broad forehead.

Interviewer: Yes. Broad shoulders.

Adnan Oktar: Yes, he also says he will have a broad stomach and chest. And broad thighs. Like one of the people of Israel. His appearance is majestic and imposing.

Interviewer: Is there a mark or seal on your back?

Adnan Oktar: Telling lies is forbidden in Islam. Of course, I do not tell lies. Yes, there is a mole on my back. Quite a big one. On the left, at heart level.

Interviewer: It would seem that I am right.

Adnan Oktar:   You are indeed right. I may resemble the description in the hadith, but that is not enough to be able to claim one is the Mahdi.

Interviewer: I apologise in advance for this question. I do not wish to go into very private matters, but… In other words, I would like you to assured of my sincerity in this area.Where is that mole? In the middle, on that side, on the right.

Adnan Oktar:   No. On a level with my heart.

Interviewer: So it is quite natural for me to think as I do.

Adnan Oktar: Muslims always think good of other Muslims.

Interviewer: Do the people around you think the same way, I wonder?

Adnan Oktar:   They think the best, of course.

Interviewer: Do you know people are in love with you? It is as if those people who love you are truly in love with you.

Adnan Oktar: MashaAllah, how delightful. They see in me a manifestation of Allah. Because they are looking full of love of Allah, their love for Him emerges as a manifestation.I also, when I look around me, I also look at the manifestations of Allah and take pleasure from that.

Interviewer: Is this in any way connected with the Golden Age?

Adnan Oktar: We are in the End Times. We are of course about to enter the Golden Age. We are even in it now, that is true. An excellent Islamic Union will be formed,a Turkic-Islamic Union will be formed.

Interviewer: Is the eternity beginning?

Adnan Oktar: Of course. In fact it has already done so.

Interviewer: When did it begin?

Adnan Oktar: Right at the outset. Right from Kalu Bela, eternity had always existed. Allah comes from and returns to eternity. Allah is eternal. He is always eternal. He is absolute Eternal.But we have a beginning. If we are destined for Paradise, we are already living our eternal lives in paradise at this moment.

Adnan Oktar: Allah forgive, of course, if someone is in Hell then they are also living their eternal lives at this very moment.

Interviewer: We are currently in the End Times, are we not? If we are in the End Times the more minor features of Doomsday should already have begun.

Interviewer: In that case, as a scholar, could you tell us, about these minor portents?

Adnan Oktar: The minor signs have come about exactly. As described by our Prophet (saws). In terms of major portents there is the stopping of the waters of the Euphrates.The waters of the Euphrates were indeed stopped for the first time in history. Newspapers reported on the dam, saying the waters of the Euphrates had dried up,and that was what happened. Then there is the invasion of Afghanistan, and that happened. And the war between Iraq and Iran, and that happened.

 There was the occupation of the Kaaba, and that also happened.

Adnan Oktar: The Kaaba was occupied in the year 1400 according to the Hijri calendar. It was taken over by a small team in the year 1400. Blood was even shed. These people were later executed. This can be seen in the newspapers of the time. Daily Türkiye carried a headline saying, “The Kaaba has been occupied!”This was a really important event. It happened in Hijri 1400, just the events happening around Hijri 1400.

Interviewer: Speaking of the year 1400, Hijri style, a poem by Necip Fazıl comes to mind. He said, “Our time is nigh, will our hero be coming this century, I wonder?”Is that hero the Prophet ‘Isa (as) or the Mahdi?

 Adnan Oktar: He is referring to the Mahdi, of course.

Interviewer: Will the Prophet ‘Isa (as) be coming before him?

Adnan Oktar:  No, the Prophet ‘Isa (as) will come after the Mahdi.

Interviewer: Why will they be coming?

Interviewer: For Muslims to establish world rule?

Adnan Oktar:  Yes. For world dominion. Because the Mahdi will only establish dominion in the Islamic world. When ‘Isa comes, Islam will also establish dominion over the other worlds,the Christian and Jewish worlds. Everywhere in the world will become Muslim.

Interviewer: Right. If the Mahdi keeps his coming to himself, how are we as Muslims to know it had happened? Especially since he will not declare himself to be the Mahdi.

Adnan Oktar:  Yes, Said Nursi says he will be known through the light of faith. And in an onther place he says his close disciples know him through the light of their faith.He says "those people of the End Times can be known through the light of faith" That is to say the people of End Times-

 what does the light of faith mean?It means when looked with the eyes of faith, with a sincere eye, it will be felt.But no certain identification can be established. One could only say, “Allah knows the best, he may be the Mahdi”. Because no-one can claim to be the Mahdi.It may be that one individual is a means whereby Islamic dominion is established. Islamic moral values will prevail across the Islamic world. And he heads the process.Asked who that person is, we will say that it is the Mahdi, Allah knows the best. But we cannot say he is certainly the Mahdi, we can only say,“Allah knows best but he may be the Mahdi”.

Interviewer: There were those people who doubted even in the time of our Prophet (saws). They then later declared their loyalty to him.But if we Muslims lack a complete knowledge of the Mahdi, will we suffer any loss as a result?

Adnan Oktar:  Of course, not. All that matters is for Muslims to be genuine. Their being truly honest.

Interviewer: You listed some of the major portents for us. Do these indicate that Doomsday is close at hand?

Adnan Oktar:  Of course Doomsday is near. The coming of the Mahdi is the greatest of the portents of Doomsday. In the same way that he will lead many people to Paradise,the Mahdi will also lead a great many to Hell.

Interviewer: In the hadith our Prophet (saws) also refers to a Dajjal [anti-Christ]. Any conflict between this Dajjal and the Mahdi...

Adnan Oktar:  The Mahdi will lack the power to entirely eradicate the influence of the Dajjal. Because the Dajjal will possess hypnotic and similar powers.He will have marvels. For example, he will show people images of their dead parents.

Interviewer: He will show them Heaven and Hell.

Adnan Oktar:  He will ask people whether they believe in these parents of theirs. Under the influence of that hypnosis the person concerned will imagine them to be real.He will imagine his parents are alive. The Mahdi will lack the power to prevent this.

Interviewer: But we are told that believers will see the word “infidel” written on the Dajjal’s forehead.

Adnan Oktar:  It will in any case be perfectly obvious. The person’s claiming divine status will be enough proof.

Adnan Oktar:  Of course. He will say that he is a god. What more needs to be said? If a being who eats food and goes to the bathroom and sleeps claims to be Allah,then that person is perverted and quite mad.

Interviewer: Will the Mahdi later be reinforced by the Prophet ‘Isa (as) according to this account?

Adnan Oktar:  Yes. We are told that the Mahdi will meet the Prophet ‘Isa (as) as he performs the morning prayer. The Mahdi will call on him to lead the prayer,saying "Here you are, step forward for the prayer," It is said that he will push Mahdi from both shoulders and Isa says “It is your duty.”

 and makes the Mahdi lead the prayer. And that means the leadership of the Islamic world would remain at the Mahdi. That is to say Isa will appertain to the Mahdi.Isa will be the follower of the Mahdi.

Interviewer: There are various claims regarding your books. One would need to have an exceptional ability to achieve these things. The subject that people are perhaps most curious about concerning you is how someone manages to write so many books.

Adnan Oktar:  It is also the case that some people who have left us have also claimed to have written these books. OK, if you wrote them, what is stopping you now?Write another one, write lots. Let’s read what you write. They say, as a second line, that the people around me write them.When I present my friends around me, then they say these are still kids, this man had tempted them. But if they were to be such kids so that they will be tempted,then how could they write these books?Isn't that right?

Interviewer: The people around you are definitely highly educated, and well-trained and equipped in their own fields.Despite this, however, you are portrayed as having influenced them, almost as if you had hypnotised them.Can it really be as easy as that to deceive such well-educated people?

Adnan Oktar:  It is not hypnosis; it is divine love. The manifestation of a profound love of Allah. Deep dialogue is that engaged in with Muslims.

Interviewer: That is to say, do you have such demands? Requiring them not to see their families, saying "beware, you can’t go!"?

Adnan Oktar:  On the contrary. I am a great supporter of the family. I encourage them. I personally meet with hundreds of families. Hundreds of parents are fully behind me.You can see this from the web sites. These people come and eat, talk and openly express their affection for me.There are some really well-mannered mothers and fathers. But some people encouraged or directed by some deep forces adopt the exact opposite attitude.

Interviewer: I guess the Babuna family enjoyed the greatest media attention in this area. I watched an interview you gave about them.Oktar Babuna said some terrible things about his parents.

Interviewer: I believe this is someone you have met with face to face. What are your feelings about what he said?Is it right for a Muslim to speak about his parents in such a way?

Adnan Oktar:  I warned him at least 3 or 4 times. I told him not to do that kind of thing. I said that if they wronged him he should take legal action,but should never talk about them in such terms. What else could I have said?

Interviewer: In my view this is something that reflects negatively on you and your organisation.

Adnan Oktar:  But I cannot be held responsible for the behaviour of tens of thousands of people.

Interviewer: Of course not, but someone with such affection for you will presumably listen to what you say.

Interviewer: Is he being irritated?

Adnan Oktar:  I am not someone like a commander, like a military commander. I merely offer advice. I have no other influence of the kind some peple have mentioned.

Interviewer: The same thing happened most recently in the Ceylan case.

Interviewer: Are you that powerful? Strong enough to send a lawyer in by helicopter?

Adnan Oktar: This has nothing to do with power. They are legal measures.

Interviewer: I could not rent a helicopter and send my lawyer anywhere.

Adnan Oktar:  Some friends with the appropriate financial means made such a gesture of affection. It is a measure of affection, in other words.That behaviour shows the emotion people can feel when it comes to rescuing a loved one and the extent to which people are willing to go.

Interviewer: Is this a coincidence that the people around you all have such great financial means?

Adnan Oktar: Of course, not. During my first years at the academy my friends came from high society and the rich. They brought others of their kind in, as a kind of chain reaction. There was no avoiding it.

Interviewer: In that sense, power and wealth represent one of the criticisms most commonly directed towards you. Do you have much personal wealth?

Adnan Oktar:  Power and wealth belong to Allah. He merely offers us the manifestations of them.

Interviewer: You must have a great many manifestations then!

Adnan Oktar: Elhamdülillah. Allah also bestowed such manifestations on the Prophet Suleyman. He also manifests them in me. No matter what or how much may be created,it is still Allah Who does the creating. It is Allah Who creates finance. It is Allah Who creates wealth. If Allah so wishes, He withholds them.It is Allah Who widens or restricts His blessings. Thanks be to Allah. Allah opens the way for and bestows means on those who travel down His road.Indeed, Allah bestows us means in a miraculous fashion.

Interviewer: Most definitely.

Adnan Oktar: There are truly miraculous developments.

Interviewer: So what work do you do for a living?

Adnan Oktar: I am a writer.

Interviewer: You spoke of trade. I have looked into your background in some detail. We know you write, but you never state what work you actually do.

Adnan Oktar: Because they will immediately try to stop it. Some people are so cunning and opportunistic that such a thing would represent a great opportunity for them.They would do all in their power to put a stop to it.

Interviewer: They would cut off your earnings.

Interviewer: They would stop your earnings.

Adnan Oktar: Yes, of course they will.

Interviewer: You are an artist are you not? A Fine Arts graduate.

Adnan Oktar: Yes. I studied interior design at the Academy of Fine Arts. I produce good paintings.

Interviewer: So you are not actively engaged in your profession?

Adnan Oktar:  No. But I paint and make pictures at home. I work with charcoal.

Adnan Oktar:   I have oil paintings. I produce two by three or three by four wall-size pictures. I do modern paintings.

Interviewer: How do you mean, modern?

Adnan Oktar: Not classical art or paintings, in other words.

Adnan Oktar:   Surrealist, yes.

Interviewer: I see. And now, returning to the agenda. One of the subjects that comes to my mind, and to many of those around me,when your name is mentioned is the Ebru Şimşek affair. Why have you concentrated so much on this matter?

Adnan Oktar: It is not me who has concentrated on it, but certain secret forces.

Interviewer: Huge advertisements appeared in the press.

Adnan Oktar: Upon all those explanations, if these reports are still appearing in the papers then there is nothing else to be said. The Criminal Court listed the evidence one by onein its declaration that what this woman said was untrue. The court said it watched the film footage. The incident can be seen in the footage.It said it had heard the witnesses and the experts. The court states, according to all these declarations, this woman is not telling the truth. In other words,the Criminal Court reached a verdict. The two flats were totally different. There is no joist system in my home; the ceiling is flat.For example there are not joists here either. Asmolen ceiling. But that flat has joists in the ceiling. The joists hang down. The two dwellings are different.This is an incident taking place in a separate place with a different person. That is no concern of mine.

Interviewer: So is that person not one of your circle?

Adnan Oktar: No, the dwelling and the incident are all different. Completely different. That footage was taken in a small, ordinary apartment 60-70 square metres in size.That person claims that place is where I live. Not at all. It is completely different. The house I was in had windows all the way from the floor up to the ceiling.The windows there are small, classical ones. And as I have said, there are no joists in my apartment, but there are huge ones in the flat in the footage.That proves that the whole affair is untrue.

Interviewer: Why was it so hard for you to secure an acquittal?

Adnan Oktar: It was also hard in the cocaine allegation affair. It takes a huge effort to disprove such things.Once an allegation has been made, it is very hard to disprove it. The other side is also doing all it can to defeat you.They try to strengthen their allegations. But Allah baffled them. I was detained for 72 hours.Cocaine is a substance that remains in the human body for 24 hours. I spent 72 hours in the Security Headquarters, with a police guard and my hands tied.After 72 hours, a cocaine level of 5 micrograms/millilitre was found in my blood. That is very high. And what does it mean?It was administered in the Security Department. They frequently ordered kebabs for me in the Security Department. I thought what nice people they were.I regarded it as a sign of friendship. Spicy kebabs would turn up. But there was cocaine in them. And I ate plenty of them.

Interviewer: And you didn’t recognise the taste as you had never before experienced it.

Adnan Oktar: No, it was mixed in the food anyway.

Interviewer: Isn't it something to be understood?

Adnan Oktar: No, it is said to have a bitter taste. And the kebabs were all spicy, too.

Interviewer: I see. I would now like to briefly touch on your private life, inshaAllah, while not going beyond the bounds of respect and courtesy. How old are you?

Interviewer: Have you ever been married?

Adnan Oktar: No, never.

Interviewer: May I ask why?

Adnan Oktar:   I took Said Nursi as a role model. He says that special disciples should not get married in the End Times.

Adnan Oktar: He says special disciples should not marry. I am an ordinary disciple, not a special one. But I still followed that advice.Because the End Times are difficult. Every minute, every moment is precious.

Interviewer: Are some things not easier if we have someone beside us?

Adnan Oktar: It is very difficult. I am able to devote time to my cause. To my books. It would obviously be very hard if I were married.

Interviewer: So you have never married and never considered marrying?

Adnan Oktar: I have never married. But it is not as if I have never considered it. I would marry in a moment, without a moment’s thought,

Interviewer: What do you mean by Islamic moral values coming to prevail?

Adnan Oktar: The beginning of the Golden Age, inshaAllah.

Interviewer: When will it begin?

Adnan Oktar: Very soon, evvelAllah. Very soon.

Interviewer: Very soon is quite a vague term.

Adnan Oktar: In my view the subject will be over and done in 5-10 years at most. InshaAllah.

Interviewer: Adnan Oktar said exactly the same thing in a statement. My apologies, I said Adnan Oktar when I meant to say Oktar Babuna, on a phone connection ,Kadir Çelik kept on asking whether he meant that the Mahdi had already appeared. He was referring to you. And he said, in respect of admitting that person was you,in a manner showing that he was not sure if he should say or not, since it could result in problems for him, but he said the time was close at hand,in the year 2010, around 2010. Does your community in general share that view? Do they think that the Golden Age will soon be ushered?Of course they think that under your leadership, this is how you say it and they think in that route.

Adnan Oktar: We can see this from the hadith, from the hadith of our Prophet (saws). And according to the hadith, the matter should be finished between 1400and 1500 under the Hijri calendar. There are hadiths which are clearly being defined.

Interviewer: You also have a knowledge of Islamic numerology.

Adnan Oktar: Yes, I know a bit about it.

Interviewer: That is another of the features of the Mahdi, isn’t it?

Adnan Oktar: Yes, but hundreds of people have a knowledge of it. It is not all that difficult.

Interviewer: But there is only one Mahdi.

Adnan Oktar: Yes, there is only one Mahdi. Only one true Mahdi, rather.

Interviewer: You are not going to confirm or deny whether you are the Mahdi, are you?

Adnan Oktar: Anyone who says such a thing has already departed from the faith, and his words are not to be trusted.

Interviewer: But I can freely declare that I am not the Mahdi.

Adnan Oktar: A woman can say that she is not the Mahdi, but no Muslim can definitively state that he is not the Mahdi.

Interviewer: I am not.

Adnan Oktar: A woman can say that. Because the Mahdi is obviously a man.

Interviewer: So you are neither going to deny or confirm whether you are he.

Adnan Oktar: Of course. All Muslims live between hope and fear. A person may also be a holy man. Nobody can say that they are not,that they cannot achieve that rank.

Interviewer: But there is a big difference between being a holy person and being the Mahdi, as you will know better than I do.I am trying to understand you, but…

Adnan Oktar: A Muslim knows that the test never ends, that he may constantly rise. A person may drop to the level of worst of all creations and also rise to the very highest level, inshaAllah.

Interviewer: So will we know the identity of this Mahdi of the Golden Age?

Adnan Oktar: Of course, it will be crystal clear.

Interviewer: Will Muslims rule the whole world?

Adnan Oktar: Of course, together with ‘Isa, inshAllah.

Interviewer: And then Doomsday will occur.

Adnan Oktar: Yes. Corruption will begin after the death of the Mahdi and the Prophet ‘Isa. Said Nursi says there will be a revolution.After around 1500, according to the Hijri calendar. He says there will be a revolution towards 1520. He calls it the great revolution.So it will probably be something like a communist uprising. Then he says there will be a second revolution. That will presumably be a counter-revolution.He says the situation will be even worse then. He then refers to yet another revolution. Finally, he says, Doomsday will strike the unbelievers. InshaAllah.

Interviewer: Will Muslims not witness Doomsday?

Adnan Oktar: The verse is addressed to all Muslims. Muslims will see it even from their graves.

Interviewer: Dear viewers. We are continuing with our interview with Adnan Oktar. I am now going to ask about something extremely important, his books. Because his books reach all Turkey and much of the rest of the world and provide people with real information. But as well as this, we also hear of serious sensations with regard to these books. Let us leave the content of the books side, however,because we simply do not have enough time for that in this programme.But the question of how you meet the financial requirements of these books is one that is often raised.First and foremost they are printed on the finest quality paper. We also do know it from our newspaper.

Interviewer: They must require a serious financial input. You decline to say what kind of business you are engaged in, but how do you meet these costs?And what is the basic objective behind writing and distributing them free of charge? Are you trying to attract adherents?

Adnan Oktar: Let me explain. Let me give some details regarding how the books areprepared. I have a team of about 20 colleagues who help me in the preparatory process.These people have an excellent knowledge of foreign languages. When I am preparing a book I ask them for all the relevant documentation;this kind of photograph, that kind of text. These all reach me ready prepared and fully translated. I simply write the analysis.And I tell them which photographs will be used where. Then the manuscript goes to the proof-reader. I take no interest in what happens after that.That is why my books appear so quickly.

Interviewer: How many books have you written to date?

Adnan Oktar: More than 250.

Interviewer: More than 250. In what sort of time frame?

Adnan Oktar: Around 20 years, yes, 20 years.

Interviewer: Even more than Ihya, in other words.

Adnan Oktar: MashaAllah, mashaAllah. On some occasions I have worked from eight in the evening until eight in the morning,dictating a book I am writing to a tape recorder or video machine.

Interviewer: Which book is that? You mean you write in a single evening something that leaves us amazed and wondering to Allah how you even thought of it? Amazing!

Adnan Oktar:  It is actually very easy. I mean it is not like one would imagine. Then I have them look up the relevant verses and I put them in where they are needed.

Interviewer: Do you know the Holy Qur’an as well as that?

Adnan Oktar: No, look; I said I have them find the relevant verses. In other words, whichever verse proves subject under consideration, I recite it more or less accurately.So I know that those verses exist. I have them extracted and put them in the text. I remember writing the book 24 hours of a Believer in a single night.

Interviewer: MashaAllah. Let us now turn to the financial aspect of these books.

Adnan Oktar:  I earn nothing at all from the books I write. I have earned nothing from them to date. I leave them all to the publishers.This is a very serious decision for the publishing house. My books sell in large numbers, 8 to 10 million a year. That is a very large figure.The profit goes to them. I take no royalties. They go to them, too. That means they have enough money to be able to distribute them free of charge.When they hand them out for free, the books reach a wider audience, which means even more sales of that book.This Atlas of Creation was distributed free of charge, for instance, and demand increased accordingly.

Interviewer: What is your objective in doing this? You devote a great deal of effort to it.

Interviewer: And you give them away free of charge. To muster adherents?

Adnan Oktar: To preach Islam and tell people the truth. Because the reader of my books does not come and join me. He just learns the truth.There is no question of everyone learning about Islam coming to join me. It is enough for me, for a Muslim, to learn the truth,to learn Islam, to love Allah, to love the Prophet and to abide by the requirements of the faith. There is no need for me to add any other conditions,such as establishing direct links with me.

Interviewer: What exactly is your relationship with the Science Research Foundation [BAV]?

Adnan Oktar: I am the foundation’s honorary president. But I have no official link to it.

Interviewer: These activities take place together with the BAV.

Interviewer: There is something else I would like to know. Are you and those around you a religious congregation?

Adnan Oktar: We are a group of friends.

Interviewer: Oh please..

Adnan Oktar:  People can call it a congregation if they so choose.

Interviewer: I don’t have a group of friends who stand in such awe of me, a group like yours, in other words.

Adnan Oktar:  Thank you. A group of friends, a group bonded in mutual affection. A community, a group of friends.

Interviewer: Do you have regional representatives, groups of friends representing you in different regions, and the like? And what about overseas?

Adnan Oktar: We have nothing like that. Nothing of the sort. There are people who feel a close attachment to me, but they have only established such groups among themselves.They are everywhere. In Kazakhstan and even in China. There is a team that performs the namaz. We have correspondence with them.They are in America, in Russia, everywhere.

Interviewer: So how will a group of friends be able to usher in the Golden Age all by themselves?

Adnan Oktar: There is no question of me initiating the Golden Age. It is the whole Muslim world that will do that. Everyone is part of it. You are a part of it, as you also serve Islam. Every congregation, every community and every Muslim serves the Golden Age. They serve it either willingly or otherwise.And willingly or not they are preparing the groundwork for the Mahdi. Everyone is engaged in this task.

Interviewer: With regard to those friends, the friends in your intimate circle, it is said that they you do not permit them to get married..

Adnan Oktar:  More than half are in any case married? How is that possible?

Interviewer: That is what written reports indicate, that you do not want them to get married.

Adnan Oktar: Not at all. At least half of my friends are already married.

Interviewer: As a normal human being this is a bit embarrassing for me to ask, but it is what people say; that such good-looking young menpreach their message by chatting up rich girls. Is such a way of communicating the faith, by picking up women, entirely compatible with that faith?

Adnan Oktar:  I have never seen or heard of such activity. Young girls are given the message, and a young girl may feel an attraction towards the person doing the preaching.And we cannot query that affection. In other words, there is nothing out of the ordinary about it. A young man’s being a Muslim, being well brought up,virtuous and trustworthy may all affect a woman. There is nothing wrong with that. The important thing is not to hurt that other person,not to cause them any grief or distress or damage their honour and character. My friends are all scrupulously carefulwhen it comes to their female friends’ honour, character and virtue. They are extraordinarily careful.

Interviewer: I believe you have issued warnings on that subject. Because all your friends are well-dressed, well-educated, high society types,and therefore attract more attention.

Adnan Oktar:  That may be, of course. A devout, rational, physically attractive person may have an effect on a woman. And nobody can criticise the other party for being affected.

Interviewer: So there is no question of these people being told to dress up, look good and impress the ladies as you communicate the message.

Adnan Oktar: No. The blessed Dihye was exceedingly handsome. When our Prophet (saws) sent him to Byzantium, to Istanbul in other words, word of his good looksreached all the women of Byzantium, the present-day Istanbul. Dihye did not go there to be seen and admired by women. He came to preach,but the women liked him a lot, as well. Women also liked our blessed Prophet a lot. Also they liked Prophet Suleyman..

Interviewer: And the Prophet Yusuf.

Adnan Oktar: They liked the Prophet Yusuf. As you know, the story of the Prophet Yusuf described how they liked him so much they slashed their own hands.But Yusuf did not set out with the intention of impressing the ladies and causing them to slash their hands.

Interviewer: Do you take any special measures in that area. All the young people we saw on our way here were extremely polite and well-dressed. Do you choose them specially,or is that just the kind of person who comes to you?

Adnan Oktar: Those are the kind of people who join us.

Interviewer: How does that happen?

Adnan Oktar: Cleanliness and quality are important in Islam. A Muslim is the most flawless person in the world, the finest quality individual.Belief is the greatest comfort in the world. A Muslim is the world’s caliph. Allah creates a Muslim as a caliph. Of course he will be impressive and elegant.

 Allah commands us to "look our best” as we enter the mosques. There is a verse. I take shelter in Allah from Shaytan. Allah states this clearly in the verse. Muslims’ homes are also their mosques along with the mosque buildings. Of course they will look their best when they go there, and be well-groomed and well-dressed.

Interviewer: In that case, in this age we cannot go along with the blessed Ethem when he says “Would you seek Allah dressed in gold and silks?" Is that what the Qur’an requires?

Adnan Oktar:  Our guide is the Prophet (saws). When the Messenger of Allah appeared before foreign envoys he would wear a very costly Byzantine skull cap.Just the cap was highly valuable. Our Prophet (saws) would also appear before the envoys very well dressed and groomed, and looking very attractive.His appearance was exceedingly impressive. Women were also affected by the Prophet (saws), and other people who saw him admired his grandeur.That stemmed from his moral virtue and from Allah’s manifestation in him. The light of Allah shone in his face. Great grandeur naturally impresses people,and that is how a Muslim should be.

Interviewer: There is no harm in that also assisting the faith.

Adnan Oktar: It is very important in terms of serving the faith. That is what the Prophet Suleyman did. The Queen of Sheba was greatly impressed by his splendour, and then came to believe.

Interviewer: Let me ask you a question about the Queen of Sheba, one also concerning our lady viewers. Does her story indicate that rule by women is manifested in the Qur’an?

Adnan Oktar: Of course. The Qur’an indicates that women can also be leaders.

Interviewer: Can a woman be head of state?

Adnan Oktar: Naturally. That is also indicated.

Interviewer: Shall we get back to your scholarly endeavours? You have said that the reason you concentrate so much on Darwinism is that it has the greatest influence on materialist systems, particularly communism. You have elected to concentrate on that more than anything else.What else, in your view, has a negative impact on Muslims’ faith and on the motherland and nation?

Adnan Oktar: The greatest problems are currently Darwinism and materialism. Once these abnormalities have been eradicated there will be no other difficulties left.Materialism is not what the Prophet Suleyman lived by. He enjoyed the wealth and beauty bestowed by Allah.There can be no connection between the two concepts. Materialism is saying that (hasa) there were no Allah and matter created itself.As if reason came from blind matter, as if matter could see and feel. Materialism claims that matter can think and enjoy music. Materialism is not what Allah bestows us as wealth, for Allah is Himself rich, while we are poor. We merely stand guard over what belongs to Allah.

Interviewer: Most recently there has been this taking away of Ceylan by his father. You issued a statement, saying that you were very fond of the person and were distressed by the affair. Because he seemed very genuine to you despite being influences from various directions.You said that the father’s angst seemed very genuine to you. Have you made any contact with Ceylan and his father?

Adnan Oktar: I made no contact with his father, but I sent word to Ceylan, through friends, that she should meet her father.

Interviewer: Did you speak with him?

Adnan Oktar:  No I didn't but I sent her a message. She is a friend of my friends.

Interviewer: Do you know how many friends you do have in total?

Adnan Oktar: It changes from time to time.

Interviewer: For instance?

Adnan Oktar: At least 200 people, there must probably be 300.

Interviewer: 200 people?

Interviewer: In total?

Interviewer: So all this takes place among 200 – 300 people? You manage to rock Turkey and get yourself talked about in France with just 200-300 people. One wonders what you could achieve with 200 more?

Adnan Oktar:   Of course, quality comes before quantity. In other words, quality is more important than numbers.It should be the effect of that quality.

Interviewer: I would like to say something about the people around you. When we first applied to interview I was expecting you to turn us down.

Adnan Oktar:   Estafirullah, I could never do that.

Interviewer: I said you would be too busy. Please don’t take offence at what I am saying.

Interviewer: I expected it to be very hard to get to you through the people around you, who are so different to us, to ordinary members of the public.What if someone else, not me, wanted to meet you, how could they get in touch?

Adnan Oktar:   They could give word to my colleagues and we could then meet.

Interviewer: How are they to know who your colleagues are?

Adnan Oktar:   They can contact the foundation, or our web site.

Interviewer: Your friends organise very serious conferences. Do you also take part in them?

Adnan Oktar:   Very rarely. I used to attend

Interviewer: Do you train them specially? The people who participate in the conferences?

Adnan Oktar:   There is no need. All they need to do is read my books.

Interviewer: They learn from those.

Interviewer: What about the documentaries shown on the television?

Interviewer: Are you involved in the preparatory stages?

Interviewer: You write the texts yourself?

Adnan Oktar:   Yes, I prepare the analysis.

Interviewer: It would be very hard for an ordinary person to do this in such a short space of time.

Adnan Oktar:   I spend at least 8-9 hours a day working on these subjects.

Interviewer: Just these subjects?

Interviewer: And what do you do in your day-to-day life? What time do you get up? Do you exercise? What foods do you like? Do you watch TV? Soap operas?

Adnan Oktar:    Of course I watch television, if programmes I enjoy are on, I watch them. I enjoy music.

Interviewer: What kind of music?

Adnan Oktar:    Turkish classical music. That is what I like best. As for food, I am very fond of the Tokat kebab.

Interviewer: The Tokat kebab?

Interviewer: Where are you from?

Adnan Oktar:     My roots are in the Caucasus. I am Caucasian. My mother’s family are from Tokat. My father’s family also originated from the Caucasus. They and my mother’s family both came to Tokat from the Caucasus.

Interviewer: When you get up in the morning in your day-to-day life, what do you do? Do you go out for walks? How often do you hold meetings with this 20-person group?

Adnan Oktar:     I have a shower, and generally walk for a bit on my treadmill machine. I walk for about half an hour. I go out into the garden.I have cats, and I look after them. There are really quite a lot of them. I have dogs too,and I make a bit of a fuss of them and look after them.

Interviewer: Do you have any guards?

Interviewer: Now you will say "let's call them friends"..

Adnan Oktar:     My friends are very fond of me. They stay with me. But as for protection… In any case, Muslims protect each other.I protect them, and they protect me. That is perfectly normal.

Interviewer: Because you made a statement around the time you were last detained. You said that you had been threatened by being toldthat death was no further from you than the distance between your feet and the ground.

Interviewer: Were you not worried that people would try to harm you once you had been released?

Adnan Oktar:     I am not at all concerned. I submit to my destiny. When I was at the academy the communists threatened me. They threatened to kill me. I was all alone. The academy was totally in the hands of the communists. They threatened to kill me time and time again,but I still turned up to school with my head held high. I performed the namaz with my head held high. And preached the message in the same manner.

Interviewer: When did this group begin forming around you?

Adnan Oktar:    Around 1979, 80, 81, up to ‘82. There were four of us in 1983.

Interviewer: Then the group began growing.

Interviewer: How many of your friends were taken into custody with you? Were they all treated in the same way as you?Were they subjected to such treatment solely because of their proximity to you?

Adnan Oktar:    They were severely tortured. I admitted and signed whatever they said. In fact I also told my friends, to the ones I saw,to sign whatever they had to and to get out of there as quickly as they could.

Interviewer: Were there girls among them?

Adnan Oktar:    Yes, naturally. They were severely tortured. My hands were tied, but I could hear people screaming right until the morning.There was torture going on. It was that kind of climate. The climate now is much more democratic, or so it seems to me.But then again I have not been back to Security Headquarters since.

Interviewer: It has eased up a bit after the [EU] harmonisation laws were brought in.

Adnan Oktar:     In all likelihood. That is what I have heard. I haven’t witnessed it myself, but I believe that to be the case.

Interviewer: Did any of your group leave you because of this?

Adnan Oktar:     After the police operation?

Adnan Oktar:     Shaking out, readjustment, of that kind is always going on. The strong remain while the weak fall by the wayside.Allah makes that distinction. That is what the verses tell us. There are verses concerned with this, set out by Allah in the Qur’an.According to these, people become fragmented in times of difficulty. The strong remain. We see this in the story of Talut.Some drink from the river and others do not. Those who drink much remain. They are unable to struggle on.

Those who do not drink carry on, however. But events of that kind in the time of our Prophet (saws) are very numerous.

Interviewer: Have you ever considered that since you attract so much hostile attention,perhaps some people around you are actually reflecting things to some places in a wrong way?

Adnan Oktar:     We do see agent provocateurs from time to time. Even then. There may be some now. I attach little importance to such things.

Interviewer: But look, there was the cocaine, the statement that they claimed to be yours. These kinds of things can be really damaging on a person.

Adnan Oktar:     I really don’t care. Such things have no effect on me. So long as no harm befalls the faith, Islam. I don't care things that happens to me personally.

Interviewer: But in the same way, what if such things cause people to think that devout people are like this?

Adnan Oktar:    That is also very unreasonable, because I am not saying that I am perfect, flawless, free of sin or error, so come and join me. What I say is, let us abide by the Qur’an and resemble the prophets and the Companions. I don’t call on people to be like me.I don’t tell my colleagues to be like me. Nobody at this time could have such pretensions.

Interviewer: What did you feel when people abandoned you?

Adnan Oktar:     I still gave thanks to Allah.

Interviewer: If I, as a mere mortal, had been in your position I would presumably either have died or else gone mad. You mentioned women being held there. You say you told them to sign whatever was necessary and get out at once. That you didn't want them to be there.

Interviewer: Now, you are not at all effected from this, you say you take pride in it. Has anything in this life ever distressed you then?

Adnan Oktar:     This is the glorious thing about being a Muslim. The blessed Ali was wounded in 17 places. Yet he tore down the gate of the castle of Hayberand carried on his way. That is heroism. That is what a Muslim will seek, and will give thanks to Allah for. It is a great blessing.Easy times are less acceptable. Suffering is acceptable to Allah. That is the glory, the honour of the Muslim. You will feel true delightand excitement when faced with such things. Your enthusiasm will grow, InshaAllah.

Interviewer: Let us now turn to your childhood. We are coming to the end of our time.

Adnan Oktar:     Estafirullah. InshaAllah, we will make time for you.

Interviewer: What kind of relationship did you have with your parents as a child? Did your mother ever put pressure on you to marry, in the way that all mothers do?

Adnan Oktar:      She made attempts many times, but I always refused. She really tried many, many times.

Interviewer: How do you explain the situation to her? I could never have explained it to mine!

Adnan Oktar:     I tell her the struggle is still going on. She sees how little time I have. I devote all my time to the benefit of the faith, of Islam.

Interviewer: Are they still alive?

Adnan Oktar:     My father is dead. My mother is still alive.

Interviewer: May Allah have mercy and grant her a long life.

Interviewer: Do you have any brothers and sisters?

Interviewer: Older than you, and still alive?

Adnan Oktar:     Yes, he is alive.

Interviewer: What is your relationship with your mother like? Are you able to spare time for her?

Adnan Oktar:      She visits occasionally. My brother also comes. And my nephews. One isvery young.

Interviewer: Does your mother still put pressure on you in that area?

Interviewer: Forgive me for asking.

Adnan Oktar:      She mentions it for the sake of doing so, that is all.

Interviewer: What comes to my mind after all this is, in summary, and I think our audience will agree, that what you call a group of friends, we describe as a religious community.

Adnan Oktar: A group, a union of friends.

Interviewer: You still have not made a clear statement regarding the rank of the Mahdi.

Adnan Oktar: I have listed the portents, and his characteristics. If such Islamic rule comes about, if Islamic moral values prevail on Earth,and if that process has a leader, then inshaAllah that is the person we may refer to as the Mahdi. What can be clearer than that?

Interviewer: Right. This refers to the Golden Age…

Adnan Oktar: Yes, inshaAllah.

Interviewer: 5-10 years for Islamic moral values to prevail. But there are major powers in the world.

 There are some things we cannot overcome even in our own district or own country. You will have a greater knowledgeand experience of this than I do.

Interviewer: So how is that possible? Take America, for example...

Adnan Oktar: That is quiet favourable for America. Anarchy will come to an end as soon as an Islamic Union,a Turkish Islamic Union is established. Terrorism will stop at once, and there will be great wealth and plenty.

Interviewer: Do you think America will permit that?

Adnan Oktar:      It is completely in America’s favour. Otherwise it will keep having problems. It is really suffering at the moment.People are dying all the time, and huge financial losses are taking place. They are tense and uneasy. There is no peace of mind in Israel.Nobody can live at ease. All the region is in distress. But the moment a Turkish Islamic Union is set up, there will be instantaneous well-being, ease and wealth.

Interviewer: America, or Bush to be strictly accurate, last said that they would set Iran free. Before that, they said they would free Iraq.What are your thoughts on this, this aggressive attitude of America’s?

Adnan Oktar: InshaAllah, all this will come to an end with the Turkish Islamic Union.

Interviewer: You describe these as preconditions.

Adnan Oktar: Yes. If these things fail to happen, things will go on as they are. America will go and Russia will come. Russia will go and China will come.In other words, Allah will replace one with another.

Interviewer: Do you think one can expect similar things for Turkey?

Interviewer: Liberating Turkey?

Adnan Oktar: Turkey will be a major state. InshaAllah, it will lead the Turkish Islamic world. Turkey is in any case free,but it will be even freer and more democratic. InshaAllah, it will be even better.

Interviewer: So you really believe that Turkey can occupy a leadership position despite all these conditions?

Adnan Oktar: Our nation is an excellent nation and quite capable of leading.

Interviewer: What are their main virtues? They are unclear to me.

Adnan Oktar: The virtues in Anatolia exist nowhere else on Earth; hospitality, affection, forgiveness. The people in south-eastern Turkey are like that, too.And the people by the Black Sea. And those in Central Anatolia. Just visit their homes and see.

Interviewer: But these things have been around for years, but our problems have not been resolved.

Adnan Oktar: This time they will resolve them. Theirs are the world’s ideal moral values. Just visit the home of any one of them.

Interviewer: Can you speak a bit more plainly? What do you mean by “This time”?

Adnan Oktar: A Muslim sees hospitality and moral virtue when he visits the home of another Muslim. InshaAllah, we shall tell the world of thiswithin the context of the Turkish Islamic Union.

Interviewer: We are very grateful to you for giving up your time for us.

Adnan Oktar: Thank you, inshaAllah.

Interviewer: Have you anything you would like to say to our audience?

Adnan Oktar: I extend my respects, greetings and affection to all my brothers from Konya. I love them all. InshaAllah, we will make more such excellent programmes.We can have more such pleasant conversations. I can make contact with them in that way.

Interviewer: Thank you very much.

Adnan Oktar: My thanks to you.