ADNAN OKTAR: Lenin was a mason and a Marxist. The aim of freemasonry is to eliminate all religions. It is an idea that seeks to eliminate all religions and create one single society. Freemasonry believes that religion is harmful to humanity. There are records of a great many conferences and meetings they have held on the subject, not just one or two.

PRESENTER: But just because other leaders say the same thing as freemasonry, or just because socialism says the same thing, yes they may say the same kind of things, but nevertheless they are not the same-

ADNAN OKTAR: Look, Marx could never have appeared without the masonic lodges. They would never have let Marx survive for a day. Lenin could not have survived a single day or done anything without masonic support. Freemasonry destroys those who betray it instantly, so that is out of the question. If someone is made a leader, that person can only be given that task through the global support of the Freemasons. Freemasonry is the force behind wars breaking out, the great world wars. Otherwise no society would enter into war on its own accord. The communities, the peoples are totally persecuted, they dislike wars. But there is a world government that rules them. And the head of the global government is freemasonry. It was freemasonry that organized World Wars I and II. Marx himself was powerless, and the masons could have destroyed him in an instant. Freemasonry was the force behind him getting that power and getting where he did. Even though he had a Jewish background, Karl Marx was an atheist and a classic freemason, and nobody can rise without masonic backing. It would have been impossible for him to get anywhere on his own.

PRESENTER: So freemasonry is controling everything in the world at the moment? Is it the Freemasonry that controlled all countries in the world and all their leaders becoming leaders? Or is it the masons who produce all philosophers and thinkers?

ADNAN OKTAR: What matters is what people regard as important. Mozart, for instance, was a musician, but also a mason. Many American leaders, and more than half the Supreme Court, are masons. America has always been under the control of freemasons. Kennedy took a stand against freemasonry, for example, and they sorted him out straight away. Obama, too, he can never stand up to freemasonry. He always has to behave properly toward them. Leaders cannot act independently. It is not as one imagines. They imagine that when American leaders change, the administration’s ideas change, too. Not at all. America has a national policy. Determined by freemasonry. Freemasonry decides which government will be formed, who will come and who will go. But the leaders are very powerless. George Bush was very weak and isolated. He had no power. Freemasonry could have crushed him in an instant.