AZERI PRESENTER: Greetings, worthy viewers. Welcome to you all. Today, we are not coming to you from Baku as usual, but from Istanbul in Turkey, where we are bringing you one of the best known and loved people in the world, someone who puts fear into the hearts of Darwinists. This is Adnan Oktar, also known as Harun Yahya. Mr. Yahya, we are delighted to see you again. I would like to list the channels in which this interview will be aired, insha’Allah. Our viewers can watch this interview on the various channels in Azerbaijan and you can also read the transcript of this interview on Islam.com.az and medyaform.az web sites, which are amongst the most popular websites in Azerbaijan.

With all my respect Mr. Adnan or let me say Harun Hodja, insha’Allah. Our first question is about this flag crisis. Since that time, you have always appeared on live broadcasts with the Azeri and Turkish flags. We have witnessed this every day. What is the significance of this? What message are you trying to send?

ADNAN OKTAR: Azerbaijan is a part of us. It is our blood and soul, and the first Turkic state we amalgamate with under the Turkish-Islamic Union will be Azerbaijan. It will be the first. By Allah’s leave, we will start with that and then, by His leave, carry on down the line, insha’Allah.

AZERI PRESENTER: There is also something else. People have asked us over the web site. Nobody else, not even in Azarbaijan, has ever regularly appeared on live broadcasts with the Azeri and Turkish flags. Flags have always been brought out on festivals, or to be more accurate on days considered sacred by the state. Does this have any meaning other than the Turkish-Islamic Union? Or is it just…

ADNAN OKTAR: The flag is sacred to us. The Azeri flag is also sacred to us. That is because it is also our flag, also my flag, insha’Allah. By Allah’s leave, we will strive for that flag and, if necessary, be martyred for Allah's sake. Of course, it is as great and sacred for us as the Turkish flag. It is the same, because it is also the Turkish flag, insha’Allah. Therefore, our Azeri brothers are the honored and excellent vanguards of the Turkish-Islamic Union. You will soon see; there will be no passports between Turkey and Azerbaijan nor anything else. We will open our roads up. There will be a union just like Konya and Erzincan in Turkey, insha’Allah.

AZERI PRESENTER: Insha’Allah. There have been reports in our press wondering if Turkey wishes to resuscitate the Ottoman Empire. Is that what Mr. Yahya means?

ADNAN OKTAR: All states will remain separate. Azerbaijan, for example, will remain a nation state. There will be no interference in its beliefs or opinions. This will be a union of love, friendship and brotherhood. It will be based on freedom. If someone interferes with someone else there is no freedom there. Everyone’s beliefs, religion, sect, convictions and national perspective will be respected.

AZERI PRESENTER: Christian societies have come together to establish the European Union. And, as you have said yourself, there seems to be a delay in Turkey’s joining it, or else they do not want it to join at all. Will the Turkish-Islamic Union be an alternative to the EU or a new institution?

ADNAN OKTAR: The Turkish-Islamic Union is also an institution that will be the salvation of the EU, of the world. Let us imagine that Turkey joins. Greece joined, and what happened? It’s economy collapsed, they are having a dreadful time. The economy collapsed. Greece has gone bankrupt. For that reason, joining the EU is not a salvation. I mean, it will not bring anything for Turkey. That is to say if Turkey is poor, it will remain poor. But if it comes as a wealthy and magnificent country, as the leader of the Turkish-Islamic Union, it will say as the Turkish Islamic Union; "Come and join us," and thus it will incorporate the EU into the Turkish-Islamic Union. And it will also say, "Let us be incorporated in you" and become a part of them as well. That is excellent. Because then you will be bringing wealth, and prosperity, and spirituality, joy, excitement. Right? You will be bringing fervor. The EU will want such a union. But if one says; "I will join you, give us money and food and drink, and jobs, and educate us,” then the EU will not want that.

AZERI PRESENTER: What if the same thing happens within the Turkish-Islamic Union? Let us say that some of the member states of the Turkish-Islamic Union are poor. Turkey could say the same thing when they turn up, saying we have enough unemployed of our own. Would it not be problematic for us to admit them?

ADNAN OKTAR: Look, this is where one attribute of the Turkish nation enters the equation. The Turkish nation is a very heroic one. It would never stoop to such a thing. It would only have one slice of cheese between two bits of bread but it would never say such a thing. It would never slaver after anyone.

AZERI PRESENTER: Masha’Allah. Let us move on to another topic. I have read in various places about your books being "as worthy as diamond". When did you start writing these books that are "worthy as diamonds"? And when we look at the history of Islam there has never been anyone like you, no-one capable of writing and producing 300 books. And at the same time, when we read reports or look at web sites we see that the books you write have had a huge global impact, that the world has been rocked to its foundations. How did you achieve this?

ADNAN OKTAR: It is entirely Allah Who creates these. Allah uses His servant as His instrument. Allah may sometimes manifest Himself in a bush, and at other times in His servants. We are all, as believers, manifestations of Allah. Once Allah intends the world dominion of Islam and imply this and once He intends to create Turkish-Islamic Union, He makes unexpected servants and events His instrument. See that visas have been abolished everywhere, for one. I now say that passports will be lifted. And what does the lifting of passports mean? It means the borders will be opened wide.

ADNAN OKTAR: Once you have opened the borders, what else is left? People ask how the Turkish-Islamic Union will come about. It would thus become a reality just like that. That is all.

AZERI PRESENTER: Then your books have constituted the basis for the Turkish-Islamic Union?

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course. It was Darwinism and materialism that hindered Turkish-Islamic union. It was atheism and irreligiousness. Oppression by the alleged Ergenekon organization was widespread in Azerbaijan, Turkey and the Turkic states. But we have put a bullet in their brain. Legally speaking, they are at a complete dead-end. Consequently we had completely opened the road ahead for Turkish-Islamic union.

AZERI PRESENTER: We may have scattered their brain, but Darwinism is still taught in schools. For instance, it is taught in Azerbaijan and work on Darwinism is still going on also in some other states remaining from the former USSR. Besides in Europe, UNESCO declared this year to be the year of Darwinism in the memory of his 200th birthday. How can that be so if it has been scattered to the winds?

ADNAN OKTAR: When I attended the primary school, and this is still valid in primary and middle schools, they used to tell us about the civilization of ancient Egypt, about the things that happened in that time, and they are still talking about them. They talk about the time of Pharaoh; but we are never affected by that. They talk about the ancient Greece, but we are never affected. They talk about the ancient Sumerians, we are not affected. They talk about Darwin and we are never affected at all. The important thing is that they are currently giving us information about their grave.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, they are just saying the grave is this much wide and this much deep. And we say, how very interesting, how very interesting. We even say, let’s go and have a look and see what it is like.

AZERI PRESENTER: Insha’Allah, when we return to Azerbaijan, there is a TV channeled named ANS Television in Azarbaijan.  A special program will be screened for the first time about Darwinism on that channel. Our colleagues there requested us to forward some questions they have been asked and also some other questions came in. They are saying, "Okay, it is taught in schools. Let us say it is being taught as history. But what are the errors in Darwin’s ideology, and what dangers does it pose?" Even after today…

ADNAN OKTAR: Look, do you know what would make an end of Darwinism? Science. When Darwinism sees science it will fall to the ground and begin wriggling like a worm that fell in an acid. As if it had fallen in a sulfuric acid solution. Or like a slug covered in salt. Once you push science on it, Darwinism falls apart. For instance, you have a Darwinist sit down and say, “My brother, bring me a protein molecule. Let us bring it up here. Now tell me about it. How did it come into being? Look, do you know what is needed for a protein to be formed? Another protein is needed, DNA is needed. Right? A cell is needed. See, the matter is off the table. I mean it is impossible without these. Let us say it for those at the lowest level to understand: There has to be protein for protein to form. Do you know what that means? Zero probability. I mean they say that the probability of this is 1 chance in 10 followed by 950 zeros. But even that is not the case. Even if you put 950 million zeros there it would not be possible. That is because another protein and DNA and the cell is required for that. It is over and done with.

AZERI PRESENTER: They said that a transitional fossil has been found in our neighbor, Georgia. We then looked at your web site, and just the next day, you immediately proved it was impossible, Alhamdulillah. But they are still striving. Then they come up with another fossil a few days later. But you write articles saying that no such fossil exists and that, on the contrary, you will give trillions of Turkish lira to anyone who produces one. So why are they still making all this effort? What if they turn up with an animal of uncertain origin, with just any fossil? An animal we are unfamiliar with might have come into existence. Could they try to pass that off as a transitional form?

ADNAN OKTAR: Every fossil they may come up with will be perfect. Look, it will be symmetrical, that is to say it will be the same on both sides, regular, and created according to the Golden Ratio. No transitional fossil can be like this. There has to be pathology for a transitional fossil. One eyebrow far up and one eye far down, a nose on its neck, its forehead under its feet, weird things like that. Mutations wreak havoc, in other words. And if an animal is regular, then it is a fossil that proves Creation. It is impossible for there to be a transitional fossil. For instance we look at dinosaurs and see they have a perfect bone structure, a perfect facial region, and we can see from the general lines that their bone and muscular structures are perfect. There can be no such transitional fossil. Do you know who says that? Darwin himself. And also all the scientists say so. Read it out loud. Let Oktar read it to you in Darwin’s own words.  That is what their grandfather says, not us.

AZERI PRESENTER: Okay. Let me ask another question then, until Mr. Oktar finds the quote. Someone else known as an Islamic scholar said that man had been created from something else, from a date. He claimed this. He tried to fit this to the hadith. What can you say about that? Is there really such a hadith? Or could man have been created from a date rather than a monkey? Would it be possible for our Prophet(saas) to say such a thing?

ADNAN OKTAR: Ibn-i Miskaveyh is an ignorant person influenced by the ancient Greeks and Sumerians, who describes himself as a Muslim and espouses an ancient pagan religion.

ADNAN OKTAR: No. It may say he is a Muslim on his ID card, but nobody like that can be a Muslim. We call people who believe in what is said in the Qur’an Muslims. If he has taken some ideas from the ancient Sumerians and says he believes in those, then he is a disciple of that ancient Sumerian religion. He is the believer of that religion, I mean, that is what he believes in. He may say he is a member of ancient Sumerian religion, in which case Ibni Miskaveyh’s words would be more understandable. That is his religion and he would be making the explanations of that the religion. But Islam explicitly speaks of Creation. Creation is a fact. Consequently if they attempt to put forth the ancient Egyption nonsense claiming that "it is what religion tell us to believe", then that would be very dishonest.  The Prophet Moses (pbuh) casted down his staff and it immediately turned into a snake. It did not evolve. The Prophet Jesus(pbuh) made a bird out of clay and when he breathed on it, the bird suddenly flew off. It turned into a normal, egg-laying bird. When we look at the structure of the fossils, when we when observe 300 million fossils, we cannot find a single transitional fossil, not even one. Actually it might have been possible, I mean there might have been some abnormal forms encountered, why not? But there aren’t any, not a single one.

AZERI PRESENTER: That is the Wisdom of Allah , insha’Allah, because He did not create any such thing.

ADNAN OKTAR: That would be quite normal, it could have been exposed to mutation and turned out very odd. There might have been such a creature. Only one, but not even one of them exists.

AZERI PRESENTER: Why is it, even though all religions espouse Creationism, even though they all believe that humans were created from Adam(pbuh), why is it that they do not work alongside you?

ADNAN OKTAR: The system of the anti-Christ has damaged the world. In other words, this climate was established by Allah for the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), and thus people fell for a huge trap. Satan has mocked people and humiliated them, put them into shame. He has convinced them into something utterly unbelievable. He told them, "You are the result of coincidences. You are scientists. Can't you see this," satan asks. "Look, you came into being by chance," he says. They ask him, "How did protein come into being, o satan?", "By chance," he replies. "There are no transitional fossils," they say. “Never mind," he replies, "you still came into being by chance." And the whole world, millions of people, fell for it like little children and here we see the power of Allah. This is a great miracle. And they were so utterly shamed, humiliated. Satan convinced them into something utterly unbelievable.

AZERI PRESENTER: Satan causes people to deny Allah even though he does not deny Allah himself.

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course he played a game to them and deceived them. A professor with a beard right down to his waist believes it. We said this cannot be the result of coincidences.    "Oh, well then in that case space creatures did it," they say. They are now putting it down to creatures from space.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, Dawkins too. He was squeezed into a corner and protein put before him. He looked at the molecule and saw that protein had to exist in order for protein to form. There needs to be a cell.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, it is impossible. He then thought and thought and concluded, "there may be some superior intelligences in space. They must have done it." Come off it! You are a grown man! Come to your senses. You are unaware of what you are saying. Who created the space creatures? Sooner or later you are going to wind up in a dead-end.

AZERI PRESENTER: I want to ask about the Prophet Adam(pbuh) since we have already started. The Prophet Adam was created first, from soil for instance. You say this in your book The Miracles of the Qur'an. How did that soil turn into a human being of the kind we know today? And as another subject, you have also said in numerous interviews, there is the issue of incest. Some people, atheists, then ask did the children of Prophet Adam(pbuh) marry their own sisters? Is it a different kind of relationship? How did this happen?  

ADNAN OKTAR: Adultery is a sin. It is a sin because Allah says so, otherwise it would be lawful. Pork is unlawful. Why is it unlawful? Because Allah says so. We would eat pork if Allah said it was lawful, wouldn’t we? Alcohol is unlawful. Why is it unlawful? Because Allah says it is. Incest is unlawful and it is unlawful because Allah said so. People did not know that before. Allah taught them. Therefore, since the concepts of lawful and unlawful shape according to the provisions of the Qur’an, Allah made it lawful at that time, He deemed it lawful for a while and subsequently made it unlawful. Wine is lawful in Christianity, for instance. They drink and eat pork. But it is unlawful in Islam and Muslims do not eat it. It is in Allah’s decision whether to lift a rule or re-impose it, insha’Allah. 

AZERI PRESENTER: What about the creation of the Prophet Adam(pbuh) from the earth? They imagine him walking round in the form of earth.

ADNAN OKTAR: No, it is not like that. There are those porcelain statues, you know the ones made of stone. Allah made a perfect statue out of earthenware. When He told it to come and to speak, it did so. That is it. It is a regular porcelain you know. This was not done because Allah needed it, but to make it appealing for human beings and the angels. You weren’t here before, were you? Not long ago you weren’t here. 

AZERI PRESENTER: No, I was not here. 

ADNAN OKTAR: You suddenly appeared. How did it happen? You were created. Allah created you. Allah says that He "creates at every moment."

AZERI PRESENTER: Yes, verse 81 of Surah Ya Sin .. Kun fe yekun... "His command when He desires a thing is just to say to it, ‘Be!’ and it is."  

AZERI PRESENTER: He tells things to be and they immediately exist... 

ADNAN OKTAR: Human beings are constantly being created. We are never static. We are always being created, insha’Allah. 

AZERI PRESENTER: There is also a question about the Last Day. Our Prophet (saas) never gave a date, but they say that Bediüzzaman Said Nursi gave a date and you later gave a timing. They are asking where that dating came from?  

ADNAN OKTAR: Cübbeli also rejected this previously. His fame can now spread as far as Azerbaijan.

AZERI PRESENTER: Well people came to know him while listening to you actually. Nobody even knew him before. 

ADNAN OKTAR: But there is a need for such types. Because if people do not get to know such types then they would not have the possibility to be appreciative of what is right. That is because we have always heard of people like Cubbeli in stories, in novels, fictional books and we never could believe that. When we saw him with our own eyes, when faced with him in reality, we were really amazed to see that such people do, in fact exist. Nobody would believe it if we told them. That is why we ground ourselves in the Qur’an and the hadith when describing the events of the End Times. Almighty Allah tells us in the Qur’an that nobody knows hidden things. Only Allah knows. But Allah illuminates the matter, saying that His Messengers, His prophets will know if He tells them, through Allah's informing them. And Allah told the Prophet (saas). "The life of the world is 7000 years," says the Prophet(saas). He is giving a timing, a 7000-year calendar. It could have been dated from the birth of the Prophet Abraham(pbuh), or from Noah(pbuh) on, we do not know, but it is a 7000-year calendar. Our Prophet (saas) says that 5600 years of this have already passed. Do you know who says this? It is narrated by Imam Hambal, theologian, the school imam and imam of the hadith. He says this. 5600 years had passed he said. Look, Imam Hambal says it is 7000 years and 5600 of these have already passed. What is left? 1400-1500 years. We look and see we are in the worst age of irreligious. I mean, only a child could fail to comprehend the End of Times. Try to think of an even worse state of affairs. Atheism had prevailed the world. 

AZERI PRESENTER: These dates all come from the hadith of our Prophet (saas) don’t they?

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course, the hadith of our Prophet (saas). 

AZERI PRESENTER: A question came in while you were talking about Cubbeli. For instance, Cubbeli says Mahdi will slay the Shiites or the Wahabbists. But the Shiites say they think differently about the Mahdi. Because in their view, the 12th imam is the son of the 11th imam and disappeared, and that they say he will return at a later time. What do you say about that?

ADNAN OKTAR: Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will disappear for a time. But he will be hidden from the eyes of men for years because of the ferocity of kuffur(disbelief), for instance from the masonic pressure or from the alleged Ergenekon organization. And he will be imprisoned. Look, let me quote from a Shiite source: "He resembles the Prophet Joseph(pbuh)." " In what way, o Rasulullah?" they ask. "In terms of prison, the dungeon."  He says he resembles to Joseph in terms of prison. "He will see you," he says, "and move through the markets, but you will not see him." That is because they will imagine him to be a regular, ordinary person, but not in the sense of him being an entity like an invisible ray. As for how the Shiites will sign up this. Don’t you worry about it. Allah will make them accept it. They will be accepting so. I mean there will be no problem.

ADNAN OKTAR: I have already sent Ahmadinejad a message from here. "The Mahdi(pbuh) has come," I said. He trusted in me. He said Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) has come in his address to the United Nations and on the television. See he didn't say he will come but he said he has come. I told him to trust me and that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) has already come. I told him that the Messiah is about to come, and he said that, too. Khamanei also appeared and said "Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) has come." Daily Hurriyet also said "The Mahdi is coming" in a banner headline. Who did all that? Allah. 

AZERI PRESENTER: Why should certain papers carry headlines saying about the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) when they also carry reports about the alleged Ergenekon organization?

ADNAN OKTAR:They are supposedly being critical. In other words, this is the risk, the situation, so be on your guard they are saying.

AZERI PRESENTER: In order to send a message then?

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course. In a way of saying "you do hear these, don't you?"

AZERI PRESENTER: We have another question. Why is it that so many vulgar entertainment type programs are made on TV all over the world? What is the reason(s) for that, do you think? Then there is another question after that, and I will put them together as we are running out of time. You appeared on a program hosted by Hulya Avsar. She asked prying questions nobody else would have the nerve to. Why did you not put the whole program on your web site? Does it show you were unhappy with it?

ADNAN OKTAR: Hülya is very wild. She doesn’t hold back, no matter who is in front of her, she just comes out and asks. She is really warm and sweet. That is something out of her childishness, her wildness. One needs to adopt a mature and loving attitude toward her. One needs to look on her with a tolerant spirit. She is someone I like very much and still feel great affection for.

AZERI PRESENTER: Why is it that entertainers and singers like that are so prevalent on the television? Do you think there is an ulterior motive?

ADNAN OKTAR: Nothing will happen. This never is something that could prevent the system of the Mahdi (pbuh). These are things that actually encourage the emergence of that system. These gossip-style programs increase Muslims’ determination, enthusiasm and fervor many times over. Were it not for them, there would be complacency among Muslims. But these things excite people and encourage their thirst for progress and development. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will not appear in the absence of Darwinism or in the absence of communism or in the absence of the alleged Ergenekon organization. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) would not appear if the caliphate was not abolished. Our Prophet (saas) says "There will be no caliphate when Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) comes", "There will be war between Iran and Iraq," he says. "Iraq will be invaded, Afghanistan will be invaded," he says. I mean, Allah makes him say these things, and what our Prophet (saas) said has happened.

AZERI PRESENTER: Right, the Prophet Jesus(pbuh) will return, insha’Allah. Everyone will believe when he comes. But we also know, and this is set out in verse 40 of Surat al-Ahzab, that our Prophet (saas) is the last prophet. Now, when the Prophet Jesus(pbuh) returns, will he do so as a prophet, or will the prophethood have been taken from him?

ADNAN OKTAR: He will have the name prophet, but he will have revelations from which only he will be responsible. He will have no revelation from which people will be responsible. But he will act with revelation. For example, he anoints the face of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), saying, "this is your rank in Paradise," "You are destined for Paradise, insha'Allah." But believing this is not obligatory, because a book would have to come down in order to believe. But he will not bring any book with him. It is he who will abide by the Qur’an. He follows Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) in matters related to imam status. That is to say, he is subject to Hazrat Mahdi(pbuh)'s imamate. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will ask him to go forward, but the Prophet Jesus(pbuh) will decline. He will push Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) forward from his shoulders and have him lead the prayer. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will again be shy and turn back, but the Prophet Jesus will propel him again from his back to lead the namaz.

AZERI PRESENTER: Masha'Allah there is nothing wrong with our stating it openly, Azeri-language editions of your books can be found in the book stores of all schools and believers in Azerbaijan. That is excellent, Alhamdulillah. But there are some people who claim to be Muslims who do not sell most books and say that this is because Harun Yahya claims to be the Mahdi(pbuh). But when we look at works and listen to your interviews we see that this is not the case. Furthermore, you have said "we are the vanguards of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)" and you have sworn an oath. Could you please set this out explicitly, this subject? And you also stated that it is the greatest of oaths.

ADNAN OKTAR:Look, cursing is the greatest oath of all. May the curse of Allah, the angels and all people be upon me, I shall never claim to be the Mahdi (pbuh) until the end of my days, till my last breath. Never, I swear that by the name of Allah. 

AZERI PRESENTER: Nobody can say anything after that great oath.

OKTAR BABUNA: We are in the final minute, insha'Allah. That is because you have a radio program now. You are going to be put through to America, to Texas, through a media institution known as “Republic Broadcasting.” Our viewers can also watch that if they go to the republicbroadcasting.org web site.

ADNAN OKTAR: It will be better if you give it once more in details. If you could zoom the scree.

OKTAR BABUNA:  republicbroadcasting.org. This is an institution broadcasting out of Texas. An interview of yours is also going to be aired in America today on Current Issues Radio. 

ADNAN OKTAR: Say it once more for the last time. Spell it. 

AZERI PRESENTER: There were some splendid questions, but we couldn’t get round to all of them. Maybe we can broadcast another such interview in 2 or 3 months, if that is possible at all, insha’Allah. 

ADNAN OKTAR: That would be great, insha’Allah.

AZERI PRESENTER: When we watch these interviews from Azerbaijan we feel great fervor....

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes. Look, I again kiss this blessed flag and press it to my forehead, insha’Allah. 

AZERI PRESENTER: Thank you. Photographs of you kissing the flag have also been published in our papers, in daily papers, insha’Allah. Thank you very much for giving us this opportunity, insha’Allah. 

ADNAN OKTAR: Thank you. May the approval of Allah be upon you. 

AZERI PRESENTER: May the approval of Allah be upon you. May He permit your work to continue and may we all be among those in Paradise, insha’Allah. 

ADNAN OKTAR: Amen, all of us, insha’Allah. 

AZERI PRESENTER: Thank you very much.