ADNAN OKTAR: Look, everything is permanently imperfect in this world, astonishingly imperfect. Look at insects. You don’t see any abnormal, deformed insects. They are all very handsome. Butterflies are all very pretty without having to put make-up on. They don’t bathe, or clean their teeth, spray perfume on or use deodorants. Lady butterflies don’t go to the hairdresser. Do they?

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course. If you look at female birds, they are highly decorative. You know about peacocks and the like. The males are really decorative, superbly handsome.

PRESENTER: And they really open out at certain times, don’t they?

ADNAN OKTAR: Whether it be the golden pheasant or some other birds. Isn’t that right? They are glorious. But human beings are deliberately created with weaknesses. They need constant looking after, in other words. Other animals and their young can look after themselves, but human youngsters cannot survive unaided. They can only survive with scrupulous care and attention from their mothers. Human beings come here and go to primary school, and the hardships start right from then. They have to sit on wooden benches at the crack of dawn. They are made to get up really early, aren’t they? They are packed into buses and stand in line in the freezing cold. Then they go to school and spend five years sitting in front of a blackboard.