ADNAN OKTAR: Masons imagine themselves to be above religions. They regard themselves as very great. They regard themselves as Allah, or even say that they are divine. They say that human beings are divine, that each separate individual is a god. Thus they also regard freemasonry in that light, but they regard shaytan as being above everything else. What do they call it?

ADNAN OKTAR: No, it has a name. That’s right, they call it “Baphomet.” They actually believe in Baphomet and imagine that he rules the world.

ADNAN OKTAR: No, they just make use of Judaism. I have two friends who were masons. They have seen much detail. They have told me much detail. They spent years inside it. They make them swear on the Torah, the Injil and the Qur’an, all three. They make them swear on all three holy Books. At first, they say they believe in Allah, and that the truth has to be revealed slowly. They say it cannot be imparted at once.

ADNAN OKTAR: No, the Jews do not regard people who are not true Jews as jews. I have Jewish acquaintances. They were here again yesterday. I know rabbis. I speak with members of the Sanhedrin. I speak with the most influential rabbis in the world and with their high-priests. I have also spoken with 33^rd degree masons; I receive information directly. The masons clearly don’t accept religion. None of them. But they appear to believe in Allah in the beginning. That is a tactic, and they admit as much themselves. Look, they say, “you must shine the light slowly into sleepy eyes, if you give it at once those eyes will be dazzled.” They say you have to tell people they have no religion only gradually.

PRESENTER 2: But freemasonry is a teaching closely linked to religion, from what I have read and know, and as I say the leaders you cite...

ADNAN OKTAR: No, no. If that were so then they would act along the lines of Judaism, in line with the Torah. They regard the Torah as nonsense and accept none of the three revealed religions. Look, they say: let me bring the masons’ own books and you can see for yourselves. They produce their own journals. Would that document it for you? “Satan’s torch lights the path we travel.” What more need they say? It is quite explicit. They make it quite clear that religions were invented subsequently by human beings. They hold their own meetings and conferences about it. There are statements by them saying that human beings invented religion. So how could such people be devout Jews? They deny revelation. How can someone who denies revelation believe in Judaism?

ADNAN OKTAR: Freemasons have a Darwinist, materialist structure. They are thus the force that govern both fascists and communists. But those people are not aware of it.

PRESENTER 2: But they also govern the capitalists. America is a capitalist and imperialist country.

PRESENTER 2: So where is the conflict if one power governs them all?

ADNAN OKTAR: The important thing is they are atheists, oppposed to religion. For them there is no difference between fascism, communism and capitalism. The important thing is to develop systems that are opposed to religion. Marx, as I just said, came from a family of rabbis. He was a mason, a high-ranking mason. At the time he was disseminating his ideas he served in the same lodge as people who were opposed to his ideas and in other masonic lodges. In other words, freemasonry’s true aim is irreligion. They use Darwinism to that end. Look, they say so quite explicitly. “Human beings have no other powers than those belonging to animals.” Simple as that. That is masonic thinking. Capitalism is Darwinist, fascism is Darwinist and Marxism is Darwinist. All three are Darwinist.