ADNAN OKTAR: Look, what I said on the subject of Armenia. I said these people are entrusted to us by Allah. We made these people generals in our army in the past. We regarded them as trustworthy and loyal, and we even had an excellent name for them, "The Loyal Nation." What needed to be done: To open up the borders, to do away with passports and embrace them all. There was that [football] match between Turkey and Armenia. You can fly the Armenian flag everywhere, fly the Azeri flag, too. And also have the Turkish flags waved all around. And applaud the Armenian team when they come out. And applaud the Turkish team also and make this a friendly game here. Not something where there is a huge urge to win. By that means, you can display your love and kindness. I said that young Armenians should come here. And we even spoke with several mainstream TV channels. We said let us encourage them to talk to the Turkish youth face to face, and let them come together, talk and be friends.

Then they found this huge woman from Azerbaijan. Someone who doesn't even look like human and every bit of her parts wobbles. Then they brought her here, she wound everyone up and they all followed behind her. She claimed, "The Armenians are our mortal enemies, that they should be crushed wherever they show their heads," that kind of thing. That is the same extremism as that of the alleged Ergenekon organization. By doing that this woman ruined all our good work and efforts. And there was a team behind her, too and it was made up of awful harridans. They turned the place upside down. People were embarrassed and left. They waited in silence. And now decrees about Armenia have begun emerging from parliaments, these are decrees about genocide.

Now our Prime Minister says, "I won't go there, because they issued such a decree." Good, then comes 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 100, 150. And in the end just Turkey will be left alone, isn't that right? I mean, the Prime Minister's reaction is justified, but that is not the right way. Take the Turkish-Islamic Union which I have been talking about for 2 years. It needs to be established urgently. I said Armenia was vitally important. I said it was a key point and we have to resolve that right away. Once we have done that, the Nagorno-Karabakh issue will be resolved at once. If you make Nagorno-Karabakh a precondition, then people get the impression this is just a political initiative, not something based on friendship and love. There will be no more Nagorno-Karabakh problem once you have done away with borders and passports and embraced Armenia. Armenia will then be Turkey's [friend] anyway, they become our brothers. That is how it should be. Nagorno-Karabakh will then be ours, and we will be able to go there without impediment. Because you will have opened the whole area and the roads will all be wide open. You can drive right through to Azerbaijan. Nobody will be able to stop us once Azerbaijan is united with Turkey.

We will make our presence in other words by Allah's leave, and there will be a chain reaction with Turkistan, Tajikistan and Kazakhstan. Right down to Syria, Iraq and Jordan. Egypt and then follows Pakistan on the other side. This can happen very quickly. But if we use a cold, formal language instead of resolving things with love, if we start counting the number of bones, then things will follow an entirely different course. That is unacceptable. I said we must never bring the number of bones [skulls] to our agendas, we should forget about that and remove it from discussion. These things belong to the past.

If we start looking to the past, then they, some Armenian, fascist killers martyred a great many of our diplomats. Did the Armenian people do that? No. My Armenian is immaculate. They are mild people, who are modest mothers and fathers. They all go off to their churches quietly. They are polite and respectful. It was a few crazies who did that. Why hold them all responsible? They martyred a lot of our brothers at that time. But we said we forgave those and put an end to it. They also experienced difficulties; some events that hurt them may well have taken place. But they must close that chapter and this issue is resolved. We cannot calculate things that happened 100 years ago. It is over and done with.

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course. The Armenians have their vengeance memorial. But as an act of politeness they put the light out [of the monument] when our President visited. What does putting the light out mean? It means I have put the matter aside. That is an act of kindness. It should have been followed up. Preparations should have been made before they came to the football game, a team should have organized it. But if you start out with the idea of beating Armenia, then everything will turn out completely different. The match there should have been a friendly one where love and respect should have been shown. For example, you should take the Armenian President and show him round, taking him to all the lovely sites and have him meet with the youth. It is easy to do these things. Youngsters could also be brought from there also. But this kind of policy will leave Turkey isolated. Turkey is then left on its own; and may Allah forbid, the consequences could be very dire. But Almighty Allah has not permitted this in destiny. Allah has introduced the system of the Mahdi. The Turkish-Islamic Union will be established despite all these issues that appear to be so negative. This is a miracle, and it cannot be stopped.