PRESENTER: A viewer from Izmir, Tahir Yalıoğlu, says that he has been following Adnan Hodja’s intellectual struggle against the masons for many years now and that he supports him. He says he thinks that the masons are behind many of the plots against you because they regard you as a threat to them. In addition, he sees a great affection for Cüppeli Ahmet Hodja among the masons, and that the masons and the alleged Ergenekon organization support Cüppeli Ahmet, and he wonders why that is.
ADNAN OKTAR: I don’t know. That would have to be investigated. But one can feel an affection on their part, and that is quite surprising. Because there is normally a great rage toward Muslims in masonic circles. In other words, wherever they imagine they see a weakness, they try to do something using the people they have bought, either by uttering slanders or else bringing in false witnesses. But in my view the only reason they support Cüppeli Ahmet Hodja is his opposition to me. Otherwise they made their own opposition to Cüppeli Ahmet clear, what they think of him, because when he speaks they roll around laughing. They really find him highly amusing. Because he is really no threat to Darwinism or materialism, no danger to communism and fascism, because neither his level or cultural or his intellectual capacity make that possible. Because they have seen that someone educated in a madrassa will possess certain information and therefore poses no threat. They asked him questions about Darwinism, but he glossed over them in just a few words. From that it could be seen he is no danger to them. And then they just began enjoying themselves.
OKTAR BABUNA: They even said he was one of them.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, then they called me as a matter of good form, or something. I went along. They called me for balance or something, maybe not to raise suspicions, in order that they could say they were not one-sided but also invited Adnan Hodja. In fact, on the evening I went there they imagined, in their own eyes, they were going to finish me off. They were going to bring on various professors and scientists, and everyone would phone in and I would be unable to cope.
OKTAR BABUNA: Not at all.
ADNAN OKTAR: But when I knocked them down...
OKTAR BABUNA: Masha’Allah,
ADNAN OKTAR: They were really shocked. There was something from the Munich Olympics I remember as a boy. There was this wrestler who picked everyone up and threw them down within 11 seconds. Then when I began hurling them onto the ground, they began making this whimpering noise. You saw their anger that evening, they were like gunpowder ready to explode. Then they went off and re-arranged their tie pins or something and came back, in the same way that a defeated wrestler always longs for the ring again, and I flattened them again. Thanks be to Allah.
CİHAT GÜNDOĞDU: Thanks be to Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR: I consider Yiğit Bulut to be free of this, because he is a real nationalist and believer in Allah, but in my view he was unaware of those events. I think he acted in good faith but, thanks be to Allah, we finished the matter in a single session. There is now this enormous silence, and they are behaving very oddly. They put a caricature of me on a magazine cover the other day. I have a stick in my hand, and they have an evolutionary timetable or the stages of our supposed descent from apes, but I am chasing them all before me. Evolution is on the move, it says, but it is running straight into a brick wall, where it crashes. And that really happened. It was an excellent description.