ADNAN OKTAR: These things are really not very nice, so I don’t talk about them much, but there are books on sale about it. Doctors entering my section used to faint from the horror of it all.
TARKAN YAVAŞ: With your permission, there is a film about it. We can show it, if you agree?
ADNAN OKTAR: All right. The mental patients used to scream all day until night. Electroshocks were administered them; they often did it before my very eyes, giving the patients electric shocks.
Yes, this is the comfortable garden we used to walk around in. I spent 10 months here, and used to wander round in the garden.
PRESENTER: You have described a terrible tragedy.
ADNAN OKTAR: They were my friends there.
TARKAN YAVAŞ: You were right next to the most aggressive and dangerous types there, masha’Allah. Even looking at those images is utterly terrifying. But you spent 10 months, day and night, among the most dangerous inmates.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, the good news is that these were receiving treatment. I was in the acute ward. Where they were even more aggressive. With the ones who had not been treated yet. This was the best state they were in. The trembling was the result of the drugs they gave them, Haldol. They all used to tremble, all the inmates. They would rock from side to side, movements like that. They almost all did it. The late Yıldırım Aktuna used to tell me, “run along and talk to the lunatics.” But what could I talk to them about? How could we have any interaction?
PRESENTER: You say that was the advice you were given?
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course. He told me, “You may not talk to the doctors, nor to the nurses.” Then he said, “Don’t talk to anyone there.” “So who should I talk to, Sir?” I asked. “Run along, and talk to the inmates,” he replied “But they don’t understand anything, they are out of their minds,” I objected. “Then just go,” he said. There was a little room left over from World War II, like a bathroom gone wrong, a horrible place. The door would open when you pushed it. And the door was open at top and bottom. Like those saloon doors in cowboy films. They had set aside one corner of that for me. It was like my office. Imagine. Anyone who wanted could wander in. “Take yourself off there,” he said, “and reflect on things.”“Why am I here?” I asked, and he said, “Think about it.”“Think on why you might have been brought to a mental hospital.” But I knew why I was there, so there was nothing to think about.
TARKAN YAVAŞ: Seven people died at that time, didn’t they?
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, they killed 7 people.
TARKAN YAVAŞ: Yes, it was a terribly dangerous place. A hospital where 7 people were killed. The inmates were insane and capable of anything at any time. Seven people were killed during our Hodja’s time there.
ADNAN OKTAR: We were in a ward for 300 people. I had my own tiny space along one edge, in a corner. Some of the mental patients died, and nobody knew. They only realized when the body started to decay from under the blankets. It was indescribably disgusting. I don’t talk about it in order not to disgust people. Imagine, how can someone with no self-control, someone totally irrational, stay clean? How much attention to cleanliness will he pay?
PRESENTER: Terrible. Allah must have given you strength, masha’Allah.
TARKAN YAVAŞ: There is a book about Bakırköy. ‘The Secret History of Bakırköy Mental Hospital.’ It contains statements by nurses and doctors. Really horrifying statements. I would like to read a few, with your permission, insha’Allah. A nurse, Ayşe Altınyurt says: “The patients brought in were in a terrible state. Sometimes 7 of us were unable to control them. Patients gouged out the eyes of 1 or 2 members of staff. They would bite each other’s ears or noses off. Lice were crawling up the walls. Several inmates would share one blanket. It would sometimes take several days before anyone realized a patient had died. Patients who ended up in ward 14-B in those days would never come out again.”
ADNAN OKTAR: 14-B was where I was. That was my ward. The infamous 14-B.
TARKAN YAVAŞ: Another nurse says: “There was a terrible stench. Everywhere was filthy and untidy. Patients could not wash as there was no hot water. They were lousy. Patients would roll around naked on the floor. They all had shaven heads and looked like one. It was terrifying just going in there. They ate with their hands. Treatment was breaking an ampule in water. They drank out of a standard cup. One day when I went to 14-A to check the breakfast I saw, they had been given bowls full of mush made of bread soaked in tea.”
ADNAN OKTAR: Breakfast was generally like that. That is right.
TARKAN YAVAŞ: It goes on: “At break time I was asked if I was ready to see things straight out of a horror film. I was amazed and horrified.” A doctor says: “Some tried to eat with their hands, and there was constant pushing and shoving. Patients intended for electric shocks were forced onto their beds and shocked time and time again.”
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, they gave them electric shocks before my eyes.
PRESENTER: Do these things still go on? I thought that only happened in the ‘50s and ‘60s, not now.
ADNAN OKTAR: No. A few people hold the patient down. When the electric shock is applied they leap up in the air. Some of them broke teeth from the severity of the shocks. They used to put cloths in their mouths to stop them biting their tongues. But some of them still ended up with broken teeth. Really high voltage electricity was applied.
TARKAN YAVAŞ:“One of the staff was cleaning the patients’ bottoms with a bit of stick soaked in iodine and cotton. Up to 20 patients would be given drugs using the same syringe, without changing it, just as the person doing it felt. Even if there were two courses at dinner, they would both be placed in the same bowl, and the patients would eat it up with their hands. I was terribly disappointed.”
ADNAN OKTAR: My mattress was really ancient, something left over from World War II.
TARKAN YAVAŞ:“Almost all the patients had committed crimes, some of them even appearing in the newspapers because of them. I was just as afraid as them,” says a lawyer who was there.
ADNAN OKTAR: That’s enough.
PRESENTER: Yes, it is very upsetting. It must have been awful for you.
TARKAN YAVAŞ: I came across a cutting from the time you were there.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, a picture of me at the mental hospital window appeared in a newspaper at that time.
TARKAN YAVAŞ:“Psychological Torture to Adnan Hodja,” it says.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, papers talked about Adnan Hodja being in the high security section …
TARKAN YAVAŞ:“Oktar has been placed with the most seriously ill patients. The hospital’s deputy chief physician issued conflicting statements to our colleagues. Adnan Hodja, who has a very mild report and should have been placed in Bakırköy ward H-2 is being held, presumably deliberately, in places such as K-13 and 14-A, where the most dangerous patients are kept,” the report says.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes. But they later said, “Masha’Allah, you are as fit as a fiddle. There is absolutely nothing wrong with you.”
PRESENTER: Why were you held there for 10 months?
ADNAN OKTAR: For a change, perhaps.
TARKAN YAVAŞ: And they kept you chained up among inmates who had committed so many crimes, you have described all that.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, they chained my leg to the bed, using a really thick chain. That had never been seen before. We could not comprehend it. They kept me chained by the leg for 45 days at the Forensic Medicine Department.
Yes, this is a souvenir photo from the mental hospital window. Some of my friends are with me.
PRESENTER: This is the most frequently seen picture on the subject.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes. Those days were a test from Allah, of course. But I was really quite happy there. I performed my religious observances regularly, prayed and prepared my book. I prepared the second edition of the book there.
PRESENTER: Masha’Allah, you even worked in there.
ADNAN OKTAR: My mother would bring me food in. She would bring fruit and that sort of thing. The inmates would meet her at the door and take it from her.
PRESENTER: So it never got to you?
ADNAN OKTAR: I hope they enjoyed it, the poor things. Allah had it brought in for them as a blessing. That is what counts, but my mother was terrified when she saw them. But in fact, she is a brave woman… Indeed people generally avoid mental patients. Just to be on the safe side, that may be the actual reason insha’Allah. But of course, they are not really that upsetting.
PRESENTER: But it must have been upsetting for other people, for your mother…
ADNAN OKTAR: No. If one has a bit of nerve, nothing will happen. It is a test from Allah. It is Allah Who creates them, too. Allah shows us the worst so we can appreciate the value of Paradise. So we can appreciate this world. Isn’t that so? Allah sees how determined we are. How much we love Him, in other words. How brave we are. What fortitude we possess. Almighty Allah shows us all this.
PRESENTER: So you regarded it as an opportunity.
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course. Simple as that. It was a miracle how I ended up there. Then they issued a report saying I was healthy in mind and body.
TARKAN YAVAŞ: I have that report here. From the General Staff Office at GATA Military Hospital, the Gülhane Military Hospital, Haydarpaşa Teaching Hospital Command, Haydarpaşa/Istanbul. A clean bill of health. It says that Adnan Oktar is “healthy.” The report was issued on 18.08.2000.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, from the military. The same with the Forensic Science Department. The Senior Consulting Panel issued a report saying I was “sound in mind and body.” May Allah be praised. It was all for the best.
As an example of being genuine. For example, take an example from the mental hospital and talk about it. A sincere Muslim knows that it is a scenario specially created by Allah, because Allah displays His creative artistry there. He shows the mental patients, people shouting and screaming. The most ancient mattresses. Allah could show us the most perfect images if He so wished, and that is another piece of artistry. The images are highly detailed because you have to display fortitude in the face of the sounds of the mental hospital. You have to have fortitude in the face of all the abnormal things that happen. You have to have fortitude in the face of the filth and unpleasantness there. He shows it all as a kind of feature of Hell. What does having fortitude in the face of it all mean? “O Lord,” you say, “I love You very much. I will never forego my love of You, my passion for You, no matter what happens.” Isn’t that right? Even if I die. You say they can take my possessions and tear my body into pieces, but I will never forsake You. What is this? This is being passionately in love with Allah. That is what Allah wants. In the absence of this love neither this world nor Paradise means anything. Nowhere is of any importance, may Allah not let it happen.
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