ADNAN OKTAR: "Good evening, my dear Hodja. During your council the other evening, you spoke about Hazrat Khidr (pbuh) being a master stonemason. What I want to ask is whether Hazrat Khidr (pbuh) might have been involved in the construction of the Egyptian pyramids, the secrets of which have not yet been solved. Respectfully, Kerem Cantas."

But let me say this, Hazrat Khidr (pbuh) was also at work in the time of the Prophet Solomon (pbuh). Hazrat Khidr (pbuh) is someone who performed important tasks during the time of the Prophet Solomon (pbuh). There are two entwined triangles on the Prophet Solomon (pbuh)'s seal. This is currently used on the Israeli flag, but this is a sign that was also used in the Ottoman Empire. It is known as the Star of David, or the Seal of the Prophet Solomon (pbuh). This consists of two entwined triangles. The top of one points upward, and the other points down. Hazrat Khidr (pbuh) uses it in the same way and this is also the seal of Hazrat Khidr (pbuh). Of course, that is the seal of the Prophet Solomon (pbuh) as well as the seal of Hazrat Khidr (pbuh).

It also has a symbolic meaning, of course. The triangle pointing upward means one thing, and that pointing down, another. There are two diametrically opposed ideas, as you know. One is the followers of satan, the other, those of our Lord. In their own words, one is the followers of Agartha, and the other is the followers of Shambhala, or satan, in other words. Agartha is for the followers of Hazrat Khidr (pbuh). The alleged organization Ergenekon also say they are the followers of Agartha, as you know. That emerges from their correspondence. That is a deception, though. They are the direct supporters of Shambhala. They use it as a deception. They even use that six-pointed star on their flags as a deception. That is also falsehood. They imagine, in their own minds, they are using the seal of Hazrat Khidr (pbuh). For deceitful purposes, they also use masonic symbols, for instance, the square and compass. They even employ the wolf head on their flags, as if in their own minds, to deceive Turkish nationalists. This is all a deception. They are the direct followers of Shambhala, followers of satan, and they have all been defeated. They hold atheist, materialist and Darwinist views, and have been defeated.

ADNAN OKTAR: The downward-pointing triangle probably symbolizes evil, the collapse of evil, its destruction. And the upward-pointing one stands for success. But it is apparent that an extraordinary knowledge was obviously used in the construction of the pyramids. But Hazrat Khidr (pbuh)'s real task, at the time of the Prophet Moses (pbuh), was working in the palace. It says, "And there came a man, running," (Surah Al-Qasas, 20) and gave news to the Prophet Moses (pbuh). This person's identity is not made clear. That is all it says in the Qur'an, "There came a man, running" and gave information to Prophet Moses (pbuh).

PRESENTER: There are many unidentified people in the Qur'an, are there not?

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, he comes running and provides information. That is also in Surat Al-Kahf. It speaks of "One of you" (Surah Al-Kahf, 19). Let me now explain this very inexplicitly, then I can go into more detail later, if necessary, insha'Allah. He was working within masonry at the time, and also in the times of the Prophet Solomon (pbuh) and the Prophet Moses (pbuh). But they represented the negative force. Insha'Allah, there is one system against them, that will totally eliminate that system – the system of the Mahdi. This is the first time in history satan will have been defeated, this is clearly stated in the hadith. For the first time, satan will be defeated in the End Times.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, insha'Allah.