ADNAN OKTAR:But although Iranian people are most sincere and excellent, it is to some extent, normal for America and the rest of the world to fear from the conception of the Mahdi prevalent in Iran. I mean, Iran has to change this. Because they have the belief in the invisible Mahdi, and that is something very terrifying. They say, -may Allah forbid- he is like Allah, I mean they say the Mahdi is here and there and everywhere at this moment. There is the ideology of the movement of the Mahdi, there is his light and radiance. But if you say he rules everywhere as a spirit, then the USA and other countries would be afraid. Look, there is the belief in the Messiah, I mean the belief in the Mahdi, but one never knows what he is going to say next. For example, someone says he was sitting at home when the Mahdi suddenly whispered in his ear. For example, Ahmadinejad says he saw the Mahdi as light. As light. This will frighten the whole world. We cannot know what that light will say. He will tell me what that light said to him. So what will you do then? That is why that fear of the atom bomb has enveloped the USA. Look, no problem will come from the atomic bomb. Let them build one if they like. But an invisible Mahdi terrifies the USA. That belief must be eliminated; there is no invisible Mahdi. The Mahdi is an individual who will be born in Medina and is descended from our Prophet (saas). The Mahdi is a human being with a mother and father. And he is a very affectionate and compassionate person. If the USA were to see this, to see that there is such a belief in Iran, they would lift all their pressure from it. And that also constitutes Israel's whole fear at the moment. They are afraid that the Iranians will say "the Mahdi told us to do this, so we did that". That is because this is how Shiite belief is. That would be something very odd. However they have a passionate love for the Mahdi(pbuh), and that is good. But that aspect needs to be put right. So we should do a special broadcast on the subject one day. Let us describe it all a few times more. Because a Mahdi made of flesh and blood is much better than a lost, invisible Mahdi in the form of spirit, isn't he?

OKTAR BABUNA: It is better of course insha'Allah

ADNAN OKTAR:So what is the harm?

PRESENTER:It is more credible.

ADNAN OKTAR:It is more trustworthy, more convincing. That is because you can talk and come to an agreement with him. For instance at first Ahmadinejad said;"we will destroy Israel. We will shed rivers of blood." "That is the system of the Mahdi," he said. I put in a lot of hard work to make him renounce that. I explained that the Mahdi will bring peace and brotherhood and will allow no blood to be shed. I said he should say this out loud, I asked him to state that in the UN and everywhere. And he stood up and did so. He did not let pride get in the way. He described it like that. And everyone heard. But of course, since he will not oppose the belief of all Iran..  I mean, Allah knows the truth but he personally knows that, the Mahdi will come as a person. Khamenei knows that he will come as a person as well. I mean they both know that this is not the case, that the Mahdi is not in the form of a spirit. But in Iran, some of the Iranian people are very bigoted and fanatical, and it is now very important for them to be convinced, because even if we convince them without the public being convinced, I mean if Ahmadinejad were to say "the Mahdi will come as an individual"; they would overthrow him. So we must help him. We cannot tell him to go and convince his people alone. We need to convince them. We need to explain things to them. When that is done, it will all be resolved. Look, there is the question of the collective personality and this one. Otherwise, the matter will be resolved for good even if only Turkey and Iran were to unite.

OKTAR BABUNA:Yes, insha'Allah.