OKTAR BABUNA: Bush says the following in the Diplomatic Observer, a foreign newspaper. While explaining why France should enter the war at a meeting of the US President and French President Jacques Chirac, President Bush set the underlying picture out for Chirac. "Gog and Magog" Bush says this, "have begun spreading disorder in the Middle East. The prophecies in the Holy Book are coming true. You must help me." Bush also said the following in a journal called Secular Humanism; "Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East. The Biblical prophecies are coming true. This confrontation is willed by God, Who wants to use this conflict to erase His people's enemies before a New Age begins". Again in another publication headed  " Israel and the Arabs: Elusive peace" on the BBC, Bush says; 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq ." And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'  Bush continues in another publication and says: "This confrontation is willed by God, Who wants to use this conflict to erase His people's enemies before a New Age begins".Again  Bush said: "God told me to go end the tyranny in Iraq" There are similar statements like that in various publications.

ADNAN OKTAR: Did he say how it happened? How does he say Allah spoke to him?

OKTAR BABUNA: In terms of fighting Muslims and the establishment of the state of Israel and describing them as 'Gog and Magog.'

ADNAN OKTAR: He regards the people of Iraq as Gog and Magog, doesn't he? The Iraqi people. And he regards Syria as Gog and Magog. And he regards Iran as Gog and Magog. 'Allah told me' he says.

OKTAR BABUNA: Yes.

ADNAN OKTAR: Does he clarify how Allah told him?

OKTAR BABUNA: No, he doesn't.

ADNAN OKTAR:He gots all drunk and says, 'I have heard a voice.' Then he says ' Go and kill and destroy.' This is one of the gravest dangers. Belief in the invisible Messiah. Belief in the invisible Mahdi is also very dangerous. I mean, they cannot be seen. He says, 'I have heard it.' There you go. 'The Messiah came to me,' he says. 'God.' May Allah forbid! He calls the Messiah 'God.' May Allah forbid! "Wine is also holy. I drank wine," He says. "I became intoxicated and He told me' he says. There you go.. 'And I went off and martyred everyone, millions of people' he says. If he says, 'Allah told me again' then he would do so again.

This is a clear evidence of how dangerous this belief in the invisible Messiah, the invisible Mahdi is. Because you can speak with the visible Mahdi (pbuh). He will be reasonable. You can talk to him. He is a reasonable human being. But the invisible Mahdi is very, very dangerous. That is why they are now afraid of Iran. If someone were to stand up and say, 'The Mahdi (pbuh) told me this, he told me to go and bomb Tel Aviv' that would be it. And what if they say; 'The Messiah told us to go and throw atomic bombs on all Islamic countries'. That would be it. Then after that, if they say, 'Jesus will now carry you to the clouds' they will also shoot them a bit later, and kill them and say 'Look, we have had them all raised to the clouds'. There is no end to insanity. No end to psychopathy. That is why the movement of the Mahdi brings rationality, logic and consistency. It brings affection and compassion. It is obvious that this is satanic, a horror. 'Allah told me' he says. But you are not a prophet, how can Allah tell you anything? He will probably say, 'I saw Jesus (pbuh). He came and spoke in my ear. Let anyone who can prove different stand up and do so.' Look, this is the President of the United States saying this.

OKTAR BABUNA:You made a statement saying; "all events revolve around the movement of the Mahdi and the End Times. Such as America's entry into Iraq and Afghanistan.' This completely corroborates what you said.

ADNAN OKTAR:'Gog and Magog are running riot there' he says. 'The Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will appear. These constitute a force opposed to the Prophet Jesus(pbuh). Let us annihilate the opponents of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) here' he says. He says that quite explicitly. People say to me, 'where did you get this idea of Jesus' coming down to Earth from?' I say that world politics revolves around that, that is why they are devastating them, that is why they destroying everywhere, but they still do not believe. Look, I say, they are at your gate, they are killing people and children, that is why they are killing, but they don't believe it. They do not understand. The current system is entirely founded on the movement of the Mahdi, and it goes on, insha'Allah. Take it from the top, we had best explain it bit by bit.

OKTAR BABUNA:Insha'Allah. The piece in theDiplomatic Observer says, 'Gog and Magog have begun spreading disorder in the Middle East.'

ADNAN OKTAR:Look, "..have begun spreading disorder.' Of course, it is Allah Who creates all of them, Who inflicts this upon them. At that time the people of Iraq were just smoking their pipes, looking at women dancers and drinking wine, falling down and getting up again. But after Allah sent these as a scourge on them they all returned to Islam and the Qur'an. Saddam used to snort cocaine and go totally crazy. And his sons as well. They used to beat women in the bars and clubs. A total disgrace. They used to make men walk around on their knees, just for fun. Throwing alcohol in their faces. There was no disgrace they left undone. Totally alcoholic behavior. When I refer to alcoholics, I pity real alcoholics, of course, and I consider them free from that, but let us say those kinds among them. Right? You carry on now and I will carry on explaining what is wrong there.

OKTAR BABUNA:'The prophecies in the Holy Book are coming true.'

ADNAN OKTAR:There you go. The man says: 'This is how I interpret the Bible.' Now you see the importance of the movement of the Mahdi, the importance of descibing the true facts becomes apparent here. If we did not set out the true facts -we couldn't explain this to people- they would have invaded Turkey, as well. They would have invaded Iran and Syria. They would have gone on a row. They have enough atom bombs stored away to do that. They are in any case saying. 'It is a pity to have all those bombs and not use them.'  

OKTAR BABUNA:'You must help me.'

ADNAN OKTAR:There you go! What he is saying is; 'I will commit murder there, and kill people and martyr Muslims. But I cannot do it all on my own. Are there a few more butchers out there to kill people?' They need more men. They are mustering forces. Carry on.

OKTAR BABUNA:"Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East. The Biblical prophecies are coming true. This confrontation is willed by God [Allah is beyond that], Who wants to use this conflict to erase His people's enemies before a New Age begins"

ADNAN OKTAR:Look, "He wants to eliminate the enemies of the prophet Jesus(pbuh)" he says. That is what he means by "people's enemies". In other words, he is saying, 'He also wants to eliminate the enemies of the Jews.' And what did he do? He went and martyred millions of people, destroyed the place. I had my work cut out to convince him; 'Look, my brother,' we said. ' The Mahdi (pbuh) does not shed blood or anything.' We spoke one by one with the evangelicals.

OKTAR BABUNA:You explained it to their leading members.

ADNAN OKTAR:To their leaders and all of them. I also spoke with Jews, and said "such a thing is out of the question". I did so by showing them the religious, Islamic and Qur'anic references. "The Mahdi (pbuh) will not shed a single drop of blood. He will be loving" we said. And they finally understood. Now they have begun withdrawing from Iraq. Otherwise they had no intention of pulling out of Iraq. They were in favor of crushing it.

OKTAR BABUNA:You also explained these things to Obama's advisor.

ADNAN OKTAR:I did so comprehensively. First Froman came here first. He likes me very much, as you know. We spoke. "I will go and speak to Obama" he said. "I will tell him about you,, explain this matter to him and suggest he comes to Turkey first." "I will tell Obama about your peaceable attitude, warmth and everything" he said. And he really went and spoke with Obama at length. He won Obama over. And Obama came to Turkey first. "Start with Turkey" they said. He came to Turkey and U.S. foreign policy then changed. The language changed. They abandoned that mentality of killing everyone, insha'Allah. But now they are worried about Iran again. That is the language they are using. I am only adressing them by television now, but you can call them for another face-to-face meeting. And let's call those people from Iran. Let's invite those diplomats of theirs to meet again. Look, Ahmadinejad says, "I have seen the Mahdi (pbuh) as a light." This is a very dangerous thing. What if he then says; "The light came to me and told me to annihilate Israel." What then? There you go.. Right? That is out of the question. The Mahdi (pbuh) is a person born from a normal mother and father, a normal human being. He is a human being you can address to, a person you can talk to. How can there be a Mahdi be in that form ?

OKTAR BABUNA:It is out of the question, insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR:Then someone else can come up and say, "I saw him too, and he told me something else." That is very dangerous.