ADNAN OKTAR: If you have noticed there is now a pick up spirit in our turn of phrase lately.   And we are trying to mobilize those who are asleep. Right?  We are trying to mobilize those who are in lethargy. Because there is a large mass, a large power that sleeps. Just like the Companions of the Cave. It is as if the Islamic community is sleeping inside a cave. It is time for them to be woken up. We are struggling for that. 

Otherwise, for instance, I like Osman Unlu very much; he has such a nice manner and he is very sincere. But actually, if we were to talk in his manner, with his turn of phrases, then irreligiousness would be spread in a great extent. I do not know the condition of his family and close ones but he can be sure that irreligiousness would spread speedily and the strength of religion would weaken a great deal. It would benefit Marxists and the irreligious. Look, no Marxist, no irreligious or no atheist can stand in front of me. For instance, if they were to talk with Osman Unlu, they would immediately crush him, in an instant.. He can get on television, if he is sincere and if he has the strength. For example, he can get on Haberturk or any other channel. He can say "I would like to have a discussion with Marxist, materialist, Darwinist young people; I would like to talk to them." They would immediately crush him and he would crumple up and would be very embarrassed. They would destroy him.

For instance, it is the same with Cubbeli as well, if they were to have him on TV t hey would destroy him. Let them put him against students from let us say Bogazici [University] and he would be crushed and flattened. But if I go on, do you know what I would do? I would dismantle and crush them. Everyone knows this. Therefore, they run away anxiously hither and thither. I mean there is no one whom I've confronted and did not crush. I would prove it one hundred percent. There would be no place to escape. That is the reason why Marxists consider me as the greatest danger, why darwinists consider me as the greatest danger and this is so throughout the world, not just Turkey; throughout the world. The Evangelicals consider Cubbeli Ahmet as zero threat. Or freemasonry would consider him as zero threat and they would not even make a deal about him. They would consider him as a snack. They would have no problem with him. He is no problem for many countries and many regimes. They know that he would be destroyed with a blow. It is very easy to crush such people intellectually.  See that Fatih Altayli asks him;"What do you think about evolution?" He has some famous moves; after making such little moves he says "What is evolution anyhow?" But he is itching his beard with one hand. "What is evolution anyhow?" Brother, once you say "What is evolution anyway?" they would sweep you away.. Right? He does not have any strength to intellectually withstand against Marxists, Darwinists, materialists, fascists, communists or satanists. For that reason both him and people like Suleyman Ates, etc.. those are people who have already been surrendered. For example if you bring Suleyman Ates against darwinists, he would say "I am a Darwinist as well." That's all.

OKTAR BABUNA:He already says so master.

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course. At one point, there were some other Muslims. They were having debates with Marxists and they used to say: "We are just like you.  What difference do we have?" But, nevertheless they were still being crushed immensely. I acquit all of them; but that was valid for a great majority of them. In general, they seem to be still standing because they are carrying out evasive activities. I mean, there is no confrontation. For instance, Cubbeli is a person who can talk one-sided. No one can confront him. This is because he would immediately be destroyed when they do. For instance, if a Darwinist, a materialist, a Marxist or a committee composed of students from Istanbul Technical University confronts him, there would be an incomprehensible smash-down and that could harm Islam greatly, may Allah forbid. That is because those are very interesting things. For example, they would say "Tell us about Dabbat al-ard." And he will tell inconceivable things. They will say "Tell us about the anti-Christ." He would tell inconceivable things. In addition he has his own famous wordings; his other explanations; superstitions and things that would not cross one's mind.

In that case the irreligious and atheists would take up a position. That is why, there are people who put such "gifted" types on the spot. That is because there would be no risk coming from them. On the contrary, those who are against Islam would benefit from them greatly. For example, they would destroy Osman Unlu immediately. But he gets on TGRT channel and tells complacently because there is no one coming up against him. The man says "Is that so master?" and then just listens to him. My brother, bring just one person up against him. Even a high school student would do; look a high school student and he doesn't even have to be very cultured. Just let him ask about various logics. Put three high school students up against him and he would again be defeated. He would be defeated against a middle school student as well. He cannot cope with it. For example, this one would say; "We will be in the third thousand years after one thousand years pass." My brother, there is two thousand after one thousand. His standing against Turkey as a whole would be very strange. His standing against the Islamic world as a whole would be very strange. We have to tell him the fact that two thousand would come after one thousand. Look we say: "There is two thousand after one thousand." And "No," he says. "Three thousand comes after one thousand."