ADNAN OKTAR: There is a student of Nur, a big brother, a Master. They taped him on video and published the video on the internet. He says, "First of all these subjects must be covered; this cehcah subject." He gulps and swelters. They ask, "Who is Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)? Tell us about Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)." He says, "Mahdi is in three parts." That is three people will come; one will say; "I am the Mahdi of politics", one will say; "I am the Mahdi of religious affairs" and one will say; "I am the Mahdi of sovereignty." He says, "It will be a happy gathering. They might be at separate locations or they might be together." He cannot quite decide. Let me show you that manner of passing off the subject so that you will see how a person cannot succeed in lying, how he stutters and becomes bashful and how he swelters. I, for example, am very content so I talk very comfortably. But look, you will see the pain of someone who lies, I will show you the video. He becomes bashful and swelters and he cannot explain in any way.

Brother, instead of talking about Cehcah, about other individuals, about which there is only one hadith and our Prophet (saas) has passed that. He mentioned certain individuals who are the helpers of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh); those could be anyone. But our Prophet (saas) told about the Big Mahdi with hundreds and thousands of hadiths. He gave details over details and it is explained with millimetric details. If you look, our Prophet (saas) told everything completely. They do not want to understand this subject, and they insistently want to talk about Cehcah. Why do you want to talk about the Cehcah? First tell us about Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). Why do you panic? You lay the topic of sufyan and the anti-Christ on with a trowel but when it comes to Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) why do you say that he is a spiritual being? We ask, "Is sufyan an individual?" Yes. "The anti-Christ?" He is an individual as well. "Were all the Mahdis who came before individuals?" He says, "They were all individuals." We ask "was Abdulkadir Geylani a Mahdi? " He says; "yes he was and he was an individual". We ask; "what about Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)?" He says, "he is a spiritual being." "What about the Prophet Jesus (pbuh)?" "He is also a spiritual being." I mean they are very distressed and are backed into a corner.

Brother, why is there the need of being this much ashamed and getting yourselves crushed like this? Why is there the need to become like this? What is it to you! Tell what Bediuzzaman says and say; "You are free to comment my friend." Look, what a nice solution. Bediuzzaman has already interpreted the Qur'an and the hadiths for us; there is no interpretation of interpretation. I mean there would be no explanation of explanation. There would be no comment of the comment. He comments on the comment again. Bediuzzaman has already interpreted and explained. Brother, why do you not read these to us? What are you forbidding us? Why can't these be read in training centers? Why do you talk about Cehcah when these are asked? Right? We know how detailed you explain the sufyan. You explain it great and in a comprehensive way. According to us, sufyan is Darwinism, materialism and Hafiz Esad who appeared in Syria. The system of the anti-Christ, the anti-Christ is Darwin himself.

And we understand this from Bediuzzaman's explanation because he describes Darwin to us. He describes the greatest danger. Now, for example if he says that the anti-Christ will come and he will break all windows of the house and if there is a man who comes and breaks them; what do we say? We say, "The anti-Christ has come." We ask, "Master, what is the portent of the anti-Christ?" He says, "The fact that he tells, supports Darwinism and materialism and makes these dominant throughout the world." Right? He explained it to us. He says, "This is the greatest incident, this is the plague." He says, "This is the point that should be dealt with before all else and this is the first duty of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)." That is because Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) deals and destroys the first duty of the anti-Christ, as his first duty. The first duty of the anti-Christ is to spread Darwinism and materialism, and the first duty of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is to destroy Darwinism and materialism. Who says this? Bediuzzaman does. Pretending not to understand this, they resort to attempts to drop the subject by talking about the kahtanis and cehcahs. Okay then find the cehcah. It is okay by us as well.

PRESENTER: When I began to talk about Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), he said "Cehcah." I said, "What is that? I have never heard of it."

ADNAN OKTAR: No it would do as well; find him then. Let us find him. When saying cehcah, it will be seen that he is Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) any way. Kahtani, I am okay with him as well; find him as well. You do not look for him either. They are scared of him as well. Allah knows the truth but as I see it they also hate the cehcah and fear him a lot. They also fear the kahtani as well. Because they think that they will all harm Bediuzzaman Said Nursi, like children. My brother, it would increase the rank of Bediuzzaman by far. He says, "Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will use the Risale-i Nur Collection as a ready program." He says, "Allah reveals this Risale-i Nur Collection to me for Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)." And he says, "These books are all Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)'s." This is what he says.  Let one student of Nur come up and say "no, that is not the case." He says, "they belong to Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)" for the Resale-i Nur collection, he says "he is the real owner of these books". Why do you refuse these? This is a very exciting matter; our brothers and everyone must confront those who resist. You will come across extraordinary events. You will be very surprised to see the techniques they use not to tell the truth. I am not saying "lying"; I am not accusing them of lying. But you will be very surprised. You will find it very interesting.