OKTAR BABUNA: "I am watching you from Denver, Colorado. My name is Baris Tok. In this time when Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will come, the attitude towards us, Muslims, began to go a little rough in America. How should we behave in the face of this attitude? How should we proceed and how should we talk? The purpose of this question is some incidents that I have faced; no matter how good or honest I act or approach with the softness of Islam nothing changes. They become even rougher. How are we going to communicate Islam in this situation Master? Baris." That is all insha'Allah Master.

ADNAN OKTAR: Now we did not answer this question of Baris. Let's answer this as well. It is an important question. Now, for once Christians and Evangelicals who defend fierceness and bloodshed are not sincere religious people who believe Allah in the sense that we know.  They are atheistic at the roots, I mean they are Darwinists and materialists. For example, ask them, they will say that they are Darwinists, materialists. And when you talk to them for a little you would understand that they do not believe sincerely.  For instance, if you ask them "Could the Earth and living beings actually be created in 6000 years?" you would see they do not believe. For instance, in the Gospel, the Prophet Jesus also asks them to prostrate and they do not do that either.  Now the reason that they choose Christianity is that in Christianity, when you believe in the Prophet Jesus (pbuh), you become a person of Heaven and you do not need to do anything else. They go to Heaven even if they are sinful. They go to Heaven no matter what they do. It is such a religion that for example the all matter is that they call the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) -Allah is beyond that- Allah and it is all done. He goes to Heaven for sure even if he commits adultery or engages in oppression. The Prophet Jesus (pbuh) already saves him. This is commonly known. Therefore this is not like a religion. Because normally a person who is an oppressor must get punished and a person who does good deeds has to be rewarded, right? There is no such thing.

Look, this is very vital so we need to take this as a separate subject. There is no such faith. The man will oppress and do everything for a life time but he will just say "the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is Allah" (Allah is beyond that) and he will go to Heaven. Another person will say "Allah is One" for a life time, show good morality, love all of the Prophets and in return will go to Hell. It is apparent that there would be no such religion. Anyone, including those who are Marxists and atheists, would submit to such a religion as told by Christians. There is no hardship in religion and there is nothing that is not difficult to one's self that he cannot do. Everything is free; everything that one can think of. There is no need to go to the church either. He can go now and then as he wishes. He listens to org there and sits there a little. And it is okay if he does not go at all. It is all okay when you call the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) Allah -Allah is beyond that claim- for once. Therefore, one should not believe in the improvement of religion there. It is not the improvement of a true religion.

For example, they say "The Greek Cyprus is becoming more religious." They have all sorts of bad habits. Anything you can think of. But they go to the church now and then, and cites the name of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) in every incident and sees him as Allah -Allah is beyond that- and that is it. Everything is free there. They do drugs and wine. They engage in scandals and do everything. But it is okay when you say that. And they call this "religious"; there is no religious person like that.

Within the traditional belief, the bigot and puritanical segment has provided the enormous means to provoke the Evangelicals. They have provided them with the excuse that they can make to attack with atom bombs; enough to provoke them to that extent.  They did so through talking about bloodshed. Saying: "We will destroy you all. All Christians are members of the army of the anti-Christ", "We will cut all Christians. We will cut all Jews. We will even cut the Shiah. We will cut the Alewites." There is no one whom he will not cut. He says "We will cut everybody, we will chop them up like leeks". Now the Evangelicals say "My friend look; the man says that he will cut everybody. I will protect myself and my family. What will I do? I will launch an atomic bomb on them." And he says "I will solve the problem from the root." This is the thing. We eradicated this plot.

OKTAR BABUNA: Masha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Now of course, since this point of view is spread everywhere in America, Christians are of course in a state of agitation. In addition the people you call religious Christians are actually American nationalists. The man already wants to cut and destroy and bomb; he already wants blood. He looks and thinks that the statements in the Gospel may have such a meaning just like he calls for. Now the man needs an anti-Christ. He looks at the Islamic countries; they are full of poor people but there are also people who want to spill blood among them. He says "I found the anti-Christ." He says " We already have ready-made atom bombs. Let me destroy them for once". Right? "And thus I would be carrying out the command of Allah and the first phase will be completed." He says "Then the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will come and after destroying all Islamic countries with atom bombs he will take us all to the skies." Of course, he will not go up to the skies but he will launch the atom bomb for sure. He will say "the first phase is completed and we are waiting for the second phase."

Now this is the game of the anti-Christ. This is purely the system of the anti-Christ. There is American nationalism, English nationalism. When those men are using this;  -there is English fascism and American fascism- when they use this, they interpret the commands of the Gospel falsely, interpret them according to their own thought and make them an excuse to spill blood. The men are already Darwinists and materialists. Those are blood spilling psychopaths. The man goes to the pub, drinks until he is drunk and looks for an excuse to fight and spill blood. He gets bored. He is looking for someone to beat up, slander and kill. The bombs are already stocked and they are useless. The planes are idle as well. He says "Who shall we attack? The best candidates are these men. It's best to kill those." Because there has to be an anti-Christ and he says "these are suitable." They do not look like the anti-Christ but they want to make them look like the anti-Christ by force. They make them blood-spilling and aggressive.  They cause a hatred for Christians and Jews. So they put the Muslims under the sword.

For instance, they did so in Iraq. In Iraq, Saddam came up and played the tough. He said to America "Come and I will see. Come if you can." He said "Make a ditch and prepare. We will kick up a dust. We prepared a perfect defense system." America went and got like nothing happened. They destroyed them. They took hold of Saddam and hang him. They said "Let's see how tough you are" shortly. This is what the bigot segment wants to do. The same Saddam methods.. They say "We will both destroy ourselves and the Islam ummah. We will provoke these people and make a scandal. We will come out with logics other than those in the Qur'an and the hadiths. We will get Muslim countries destroyed one by one in this way. We will get them cleaned one by one –according to their mind- we will get them crushed." Allah is beyond that. I should not say "cleaned" but they see it that way in their own thoughts. We have approached this matter rationally and we prevented this with all our might and we continue to prevent it.

Iran openly said: "We will destroy Israel and wipe it off the map." Brother, in that case,  America and Israel- I mean if a country says to Turkey; "We will wipe Turkey off the map, we are ready to do so." What would happen? What would Turkey do?  It would reciprocate it, right? If it is a serious threat of course, if they are really going to attack. What does the man say? "According to my belief, Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), according to my belief of Mahdism, Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is an invisible power like Allah." Allah is beyond that claim. And he says "When Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) gives me an order, when he whispers this into my ear, I will destroy Israel." Do you know what this means then? It means that it is a matter of time Israel is destroyed. The man could say "I heard it." And what will you say? If you ask "Who told you? Show me." He says "A light came by. Someone in the form of a light." What will you say to the man? There is no need for a light. He could say "He whispered in my ear. So I will destroy." Now, this is a very scary thing for the opposite side. Therefore, they are saying "Then we will destroy them," to save themselves. They have atom bombs and all. They have everything. And what is done is done to the Muslims and the Islamic world. Look we also prevented this game.

OKTAR BABUNA: Masha'Allah, may Allah be pleased with you Master.

ADNAN OKTAR: I made Ahmedinejad make a statement; everyone knows. He made a statement in just the opposite direction and said "There is no bloodshed in Muslims. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will not spill blood and he will not even wake up those sleeping." He stated this openly and told the same words I used.

OKTAR BABUNA: He told this to the press and also in the UN.

ADNAN OKTAR: But they are still talking in style that resembles the same state of mind and making people nervous and they are still talking about an invisible Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). However, both America and Israel, want a visible Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), whom they will be able to talk to, who is a reasonable person. Otherwise, they want the Turkish-Islamic Union to be established, the Islamic Union to be set and they want a just region.  We have turned the Great Middle East project into the Great Ottoman project insha'Allah, right? They want this but they also want a guarantee of life for themselves. In the Turkish-Islamic Union, Israel, Armenia, Russia, Christians and even Budhists and atheists are all under the protection of Allah. They are under the assurance of Allah and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is an instrument in protecting them and saving them. Insha'Allah.