ADNAN OKTAR:There were also some other brothers of Nur movement, just a moment ago when we were at a dinner upstairs; it was quite crowded. We have also seen their enthusiasm, however we have spoken about the following; Now Islam is developing, that is true, Islam is developing. But it is one thing to develop within a shell and another to develop in core. One might develop in a shell but the core could be left null and void. He is gelded inside, his soul is long gone but the shell is Muslim. Now they do trust in those, but it could be a grave danger for the future. I mean those can behave viciously within a moment and turn towards the least expected edges. There is such a risk. Our conversation was one against that, our brothers have talked from the Risale-i Nur. We have said "let us get together frequently, as Muslims," I mean "as the students of Nur let us get together frequently". They are very humble people anyway, they honor invitations but some students of Nur are fiercely avoiding seeing one and other.

But these are very humble aren't they? They are honoring our invitations almost every time. However Bediuzzaman says "in getting together, in establishing contacts one should be immoderate"; note that he says; "immoderate in seeing each other and establishing contacts." Look, Bediuzzaman says "in every other matter being immoderate, is immoderate; but in getting together being immoderate is a necessity."

ALTUG BERKER: That is correct Master, Masha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR:He has such a beautiful statement.

ALTUG BERKER: Yes Master, insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: I mean he says "see each other frequently". But those people are spending time with the unbelievers for instance and those men drink wine in front of him. And he says; "Mister -let us say-Naci, how are you? I am sending you my regards Sir," etc. They are in cahoots all day long with such men from whom they gain money. They are mouth to mouth, breath to breath and are very close. But when you mention getting together with Muslims, they do not approach in any way. Our brothers should reproach such manners, I mean our brothers who are students of Nur should say; "why won't you get together with our brothers that are the followers of the path of Allah? Why won't you get together with the followers of Nur? Why do you unlink your connections with them?" I, for instance, do advice my brothers to go and see the guides our Master Sheikh Nazim has selected. I tell them to go see them. They are enlightened by them, that is a very nice thing. It is very nice, go and have chats with them, talk to them, drink tea together, kiss their hands; that is the environment of brotherhood. Go for instance to our brothers who are the students of Nur and kiss their hands, get information from them, hear their advice, that is a very nice thing. It is the satan who gave them this hatred, this sickness. It is terrible that they hate each other. There is a grave indignity. This has turned into animosity towards the Mahdi (a.s.) and towards the Prophet Jesus (a.s.). If those people hate each other, would they not hate the Mahdi as well? They do hate the Prophet Jesus (a.s.) as well. They become enemies to -may Allah forbid- Allah, but that is in secret. However their children notice that, the children of such families notice that and those have nothing to do with religion. They start hating their fathers, their families. I mean there is such a disaster at the door. For that reason, it is very important for loving, compassionate, merciful Muslims who are very fond of each other, to develop; that is really crucial.