ADNAN OKTAR: Look, this really is a miracle. He [Dr. Oktar Babuna] contracted the most violent form of cancer in the world. The severest form of cancer. Nobody ever survived it.

PRESENTER: Not one person.

ADNAN OKTAR: There are people who survive other forms, but they still live in a miserable state. They soon die.

PRESENTER: He looks very healthy.

ADNAN OKTAR: As fit as a fiddle, masha’Allah. That is a gift of faith. Allah uses it as His instrument.

PRESENTER: You said in those days that his doctors told him he does not have long to live and all people lost hope, but that you said he would live. They told me about that.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah. Cevat Babuna [Oktar’s father] said on the television that he would pay money if he knew he would live. "If I knew he would survive, but he wouldn’t" he said.

PRESENTER: His father said that?

ADNAN OKTAR: He said he cannot live. "So I won’t pay", he said. He said he will definitely die. "There is no escaping that disease", he said. He said so on the television. Then they found bone marrow for him. What percentage, I asked. Ninety percent or so... "Out of the question", I said. They found another donor. He said he would have the bone marrow transfer performed. What percentage, I asked. Ninety nine point something percent. A shortfall of zero points or something. I said it was out of the question. I said they would have to find a complete match. I was prepared to confront all dangers. That was when they started talking about us as a gang, a criminal enterprise or something. It was written in the false accusations made against me at the police station that led to me being sentenced to 3 years. I said I waged the campaign. A young leonine man would die before our eyes. What did I care about prison?

OKTAR BABUNA: May Allah be pleased.

ADNAN OKTAR: Why should I listen if they held me for 20 years? Would you just let someone die? If I have to serve 20 years, then I will serve 20 years.

OKTAR BABUNA: May Allah be pleased.

ADNAN OKTAR: Can that be acceptable? That would make you a murderer, may Allah forbid! Because you have the means in your hand. I did not accept. They found someone and that was it. Perfectly fit and healthy, alhamdulillah, masha’Allah.

OKTAR BABUNA: And Mr. Adnan Oktar took a close personal interest every day. I can bear witness to that now, insha’Allah. He took an interest both in finding the bone marrow and also in what I eat and drink, the doctor, the one in America, asked whether I had a temperature. I was undergoing the most intense chemotherapy. I said not. He said that was a miracle. Our Master gave me some recipes, and I ate and drank them. He asked me what I ate and drank. My cell count was really low one day. Mr. Adnan Oktar learned of it. He described a few things, liver and honey, that kinds of things. And the next day my cell count rocketed up. I had a blood test done the next day. I had one done every day. The doctor came, a world-renowned professor in the world’s best known cancer hospital, MD Anderson. What happened to you, he asked? What have you been eating and drinking, he asked.

ADNAN OKTAR: His blood value had shot up. They told me his blood levels were really low, and I suggested a few things. And he became fit as a fiddle, masha’Allah. The same with our Tarkan. He developed cancer. It suddenly spread throughout his body… The president of our foundation. I took care of him, and I conduced to his heath. His parents’ financial conditions did not permit. Something had to be done. And since they did not have the means; but I would have looked after him even if they had. It spread to his lungs and everywhere. His blood levels dropped, but he soon came to resemble a heavyweight wrestler again. He fought off the cancer, through drugs, by Allah’s leave. His blood values rocketed up again. We took good care of him. You would never have known he was a cancer patient. He suddenly got better, masha’Allah.

GÖKALP BARLAN: Marrow was found for many other patients through that campaign. Through the campaign you established. Marrow banks were set up and a lot of people were cured.

ADNAN OKTAR: A lot of people were saved by receiving bone marrow from there.

OKTAR BABUNA: I called Mr. Oktar. You were the first person I called.

PRESENTER: How did you find out? Did it come on suddenly, or had you been unwell before?

OKTAR BABUNA: No, all of a sudden.

ADNAN OKTAR: His hands and face swelled up, his neck, hands and face. We immediately sent him off to America, or I did, rather. I saw they were unable to establish a diagnosis in Turkey.

OKTAR BABUNA: You said it was cancer, and that I should go to America right away.

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course. He did not believe me. I said it was cancer, Allah knows the truth, and I had him sent off to America right away. They diagnosed it there.

PRESENTER: What about your mother, did she or anyone else in the family take an interest?

OKTAR BABUNA: My mother never came to America. I spent 6 years there being treated. I had 2 bone marrow transplants and spent years in chemotherapy. Thanks to Mr. Oktar. My friends came out, he asked them to come and sent them. My sisters and friends took care of me. Mr. Oktar took an interest every single day, may Allah be pleased. Look, let me tell you, he had 1,000 doctors asked. 1,000 doctors. There was just one week until the bone marrow transplant. We asked Turkey whether it was enough. He said we should ask whether there were any other different techniques that nobody knew about. It is such a deadly treatment that the world’s leading...

ADNAN OKTAR: We asked around in Israel, Italy, France and everywhere.

OKTAR BABUNA: Japan... 1,000 doctors. By the day before the transplant 900 had given the go-ahead for the marrow transplant. He said continue asking, so that last day I remember it had reached 1,000. Just the very day before.

ADNAN OKTAR: I gave the go-ahead once my conscience was at ease.

ADNAN OKTAR: The marrow was almost a 100% match, with just a zero point or something, tiny discrepancy. So he had the operation, and that was it.

PRESENTER: There was no point in hoping for a miracle, but a great miracle happened. There is a miracle here for those who want to see it.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah. Cevat Babuna told his wife to take a back seat and let me look after him, and that would be enough. And everything that happened subsequently did so under our control.

OKTAR BABUNA: May Allah be pleased.

PRESENTER: I think that was all for the best. If they had taken over the results might have been very bad.

ADNAN OKTAR: In any case, I could not have allowed that. Cevat Babuna’s heart had stopped. They phoned up, saying he had had an attack. I said he should go to hospital at once. They said he was refusing to go. I asked what was going on. They said he had had an attack and was refusing to go to hospital. I really had to put up a fight, effectively taking him there by force.

OKTAR BABUNA: He sent an ambulance to my front door.

ADNAN OKTAR: We had to use force, otherwise he would not have gone. He was dying. We took him to the hospital by force, and they said he would have died if we had delayed much longer.

OKTAR BABUNA: They stuck an emergency pacemaker in, masha’Allah. May Allah be pleased.

PRESENTER: This is all very interesting. This was a potentially fatal disease. When one has a cold or the flu one’s parents and family all gather round and keep telling us to drink soup, sweat it out, take medicines and that kind of thing. If one has the flu. But this was a killer disease, a really dangerous state of affairs. How come his mother did not go to America?

OKTAR BABUNA: She did not come even once. I asked once, saying my sisters needed a week off to rest. I knew she would not come. She said she was too busy. And 2 days later they went off on their travels, to Bodrum.

PRESENTER: What kind of behavior is that?

ADNAN OKTAR: I was absolutely stunned. My blood ran cold. But they did not want to do, simple as that. I was stunned. How could they not spend the money because he was going to die anyway? Bu nothing happened. There was someone else in America. I have many such cases. Let me tell you another. Someone else from a well-off family fell ill. They sent him to America. I suggested they send him to America. He went into a coma there, was in a vegetative state. The doctors asked his family for permission to turn off the life-support. He had a daughter, and she asked me what she ought to do. I said it was out of the question. No way. We made an official request to the hospital, saying it was out of the question. So the hospital did nothing. And two weeks later the man was back on his feet. He came here, to Istanbul. His family were all ready to pull the plug. This was a well-known family, I don’t want to give their name. If they had pulled the plug he would have died. But I did not let them, and he survived. That was a blessing from Allah, masha’Allah. Alhamdulillah. It could have gone the other way. Allah saved him.

OKTAR BABUNA: We are witnesses. Let me say we love him to death. He is so very virtuous. People do not yet really know him. But he is so very virtuous and have fear of Allah that he took this close interest every day. One day I had a pain, I was unable to sleep all night. He heard I had been up all night. I was looking a bit down when I got up in the morning. A call came from him right away. He asked me how I was over the phone. I will never forget the compassion in his voice. He may not remember, but Allah be thanked for his love, his closeness, his interest at every moment. His concern, both material and spiritual, everything. Look, there was that campaign. My family abandoned me, cut the funds off. I asked my relatives to lend me money, that is how it was. But he took a material and spiritual interest. And it is not just me. There are other mothers and fathers, and whenever any of them fall ill, Mr. Oktar takes an interest and looks after them.

ADNAN OKTAR: It was while I was doing this work that I suffered that legal disaster, a great honor for me.

PRESENTER: While you were helping.

ADNAN OKTAR: I had other legal problems while I was helping. But that is the way it was. It could not have been different. I am proud of it. If they tell me to serve 20 years, I will do so without batting an eyelid. I will even serve life, I will accept everything. How can that be? How can one be instrumental in someone dying? May Allah forbid! You would be directly responsible. What would you do if they told you to raise your hand for someone to survive or to lower it to let him die? I raised my hand, of course. Your arm may drop off, but the man is dying, so what can you do? It would be unacceptable to let him die.